Poorboy's Spray + Rinse Wheel Cleaner containing HFl?

G35stilez

Ari Gold
I caught wind through the grape vine that a chemist had tested the chemical makeup of Poorboy's Spray + Rinse Wheel Cleaner and found that it has Hydrofluoric Acid in it.

HFl, for those who don't know, attacks aluminum and is very strong (health hazard), but works well for those really disgusting wheels.

Can anyone confirm or contest this? Maybe MSDS sheets would help?
 
fyi ...you can't ship Hydroflouric acid over state lines without a hazzardous material permit :)
 
Caught wind through the grapevine huh? Would this happen to be the same "reputable source" that told you that there were only 9 car wax manufactures in the United States? Why don't you lay your supposed source on the table since you seem to have alot to say lately based on contact with your invisible friend?

This topic has already been discussed here at Detail City and if you would have used the search feature you would have found a thread, that you participated in, that Poorboy also participated in where Steve said that Poorboy's Wheel Cleaner does not contain HF acid.

http://www.detailcity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7355&highlight=hydrofluoric+acid


Maybe MSDS sheets would help you but asking for them in writing is better than trying to get them by posting on message boards. If you would like, I would be happy to teach you how to write a formal request letter.
 
The Fuzz said:
Maybe MSDS sheets would help you but asking for them in writing is better than trying to get them by posting on message boards. If you would like, I would be happy to teach you how to write a formal request letter.

Talk is cheap. Saying something is far less than proving it. MSDS sheets would clear this all up.


Furthermore, :lol:...I won't even get into my education. It's really not worth it. I posted this on the public boards for a couple reasons.

1) I sent Steve an email regarding MSDS sheets and got no response for over a month.
2) My threads got deleted out of the PB forum the other night.


If you notice (anyone who is viewing), I posted this in the Detailing Product Discussion forum so it wouldn't get deleted or locked up right away.
 
You are right. Talk is cheap. So quit avoiding the issue and lay your source on the table for everyone to see.
 
it is super strong Stuff. That acid will eat your flesh if you dont use hand gloves. I know this because everytime i use Spray * rinse diluted 3:1 or full my finger begin to peel light skin days after. Typically this happend when im spraying the liquid & it drools on the handle of the bottle It, also happened to my friend when i loan him the S&R so he can wash his rims. :noexpress This never happend with the meg's hot rims. But it could be what GSRstiles mentioned about the Acid. Gloves are a must with S&R
 
gloves, mask, and body suit. lol

this product is really for heavy duty use and should be dilluted quite a bit for regular wheel use. and must be followed with regular wash soap to neatralize acids.

meguars wheel brightner contains NO HFI
 
The Fuzz said:
You are right. Talk is cheap. So quit avoiding the issue and lay your source on the table for everyone to see.


I don't think there is a need to bring my source on the table. Its not him that needs defending. It should be Poorboy's defending his products with proof.

Miami just mentioned how harsh he found S+R to be. Patrick Holland has used it on the ambulances he does and he said the diamond plate started smoking. No doubt, S+R is very very strong.
 
GSRstilez said:
2) My threads got deleted out of the PB forum the other night.
Steve has a habit of doing that :noexpress . i think i remember seeing it GSRstilez

The Fuzz said:
You are right. Talk is cheap. So quit avoiding the issue and lay your source on the table for everyone to see.

TRUE! but are you going to close if he shows no facts ?
 
It seems to me that Steve has stated in more than two places that it doesn't, yet you still want written proof.....Do you think that Steve would risk as a manufacture a law suit for shipping illegal chemicals and a potential law suit from someone getting harmed by this health hazard....I don't think so.

Why don't you lay your source on the table, sounds like someone has gone threw extensive research to see what Steve is using, my guess its a competitor if its anyone at all.....I also don't understand your motivation
 
If you actually had a chemist friend that did a test and found HF, you wouldn't need to be telling me that something is "very strong". You would have a piece of paper that meant something.

Otherwise, you are just starting rumors. Right?
 
Ok I was going t stay out of this mess but it look like i"m gtting draged in to this.

First off I use S&R on uncoated alum. which is a BIG BIG no no which almost every wheel cleaner says not to do. Alum is a very weak prorus metal and the cleaners atack it very easy..

Second off I have it from a good Source that the Stuff in S&R is also in other cleaners..


Products that contain this ingredient
Brand Category Form Percent
Westleys Brake Dust Buster-06/05/2001 Auto products liquid 1-3
Westleys Brake Dust Buster Auto products aerosol 5-20
Armor All Quicksilver Wheel Cleaner Auto products pump spray 5-10
 
GSR, It's this simple. Put your "invisible friends' supposed proof on the table so folks will know that you aren't just someone with an agenda trying to start rumors.
 
Sean..here you go...now let's see your proof!!!!!!

Poorboy's World
17 Brookhill Dr.
W. Nyack, NY 10994
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET (MSDS)
Spray and Rinse
Section I
MSDS PREPARATION DATE: July 1, 2005
TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR INFORMATION: 845-627-5907
Section II - HAZARDOUS INGREDIENTS/IDENTITY INFORMATION
Specific Chemical Identity OSHA PEL ACGIH TLV
Ammonium Hydrogen Difluoride (CAS# 1341-49-7) TWA 2.5 MG(F)/M3 2.5 MG(F)/M3
TWA 2.5 MG(F)/M3
Section III - PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL CHARACTERISTICS
BOILING POINT: 220 F
SPECIFIC GRAVITY (WATER=1): >1
VAPOR PRESSURE (MM HG.): N/D
MELTING POINT: N/A
VAPOR DENSITY (Air=1): N/D
EVAPORATION RATE, n-Bu Acetate=1: <1
APPEARANCE AND ODOR: Hazy liquid with citrus odor
SOLUBILITY IN WATER: Complete
Section IV - FIRE FIGHTING MEASURES
FLASH POINT: Material does not exhibit a flash point.
FLAMMABLE LIMITS LEL: NA UEL: NA
EXTINGUISHING MEDIA: Use water, carbon dioxide or foam.
SPECIAL FIRE FIGHTING METHOD: Wear positive pressure self-contained breathing apparatus.
UNUSUAL FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARDS: Toxic emissions are possible in a fire situation. Not a fire or
explosion hazard.
Section V - REACTIVITY DATA
STABILITY: Stable.
CONDITIONS TO AVOID: None known.
INCOMPATIBILITY (MATERIALS TO AVOID): Strong acids.
HAZARDOUS DECOMPOSITIONS OR BYPRODUCTS: NH3 NO. If contacted with strong acids, HF will be
released. With strong alkali, NH3 will be released.
HAZARDOUS POLYMERIZATION: Will Not Occur.
CONDITIONS TO AVOID: None known.
Section VI - HEALTH HAZARD DATA
ROUTES OF ENTRY: Inhalation, skin, and ingestion
HEALTH HAZARDS ACUTE: Skin absorption, apparent dermal LD50>2gms/kg body weight.
Ingestion, apparent acute dermal LD50 is 406 mg/kg body weight.
CHRONIC: Repeated exposure to excessive concentrations of fluorides over years
may lead to embrittlement and decalcification of bones do to fluoride deposition.
CARCINOGENICITY:
NTP? Not Listed IARC MONOGRAPHS? Not Listed OSHA REGULATED? Not Listed
Poor Boy’s World
MSDS- Spray and Rinse
Page 1
SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS OF EXPOSURE:
Eye contact: moderately irritation on Draize test. May cause burn.
Inhalation: causes severe irritation
Skin Contact: Ammonium Bifluoride may cause severe chemical burns, which may not be
immediately apparent.
Ingestion: may cause severe burns to the gastrointestinal tract. Absorption of fluoride may cause
death.
MEDICAL CONDITIONS GENERALLY AGGRAVATED BY EXPOSURE: May aggravate preexisting skin or
respiratory ailments.
EMERGENCY AND FIRST AID PROCEDURES:
EYE: Immediately flush with plenty of water or normal saline for at least 15 minutes. Obtain
immediate medical attention.
SKIN: Immediately rinse exposed area with water for several minutes. Remove contaminated
clothing. If immediate rinsing is not performed seek medical attention.
INHALATION: Remove to fresh air. For severe or prolonged high level exposure, seek medical
attention.
INGESTION: Do not induce vomiting. Immediately administer by mouth any available substance
that contains calcium (Tums, milk) or magnesium (Maalox, Mylanta.) DO NOT administer activated charcoal.
Obtain immediate medical attention.
Section VII - PRECAUTIONS FOR SAFE HANDLING AND USE
STEPS TO BE TAKEN IN CASE MATERIAL IS RELEASED OR SPILLED: Contain spill. Remove with inert
absorbent material. Wash spill area with water.
WASTED DISPOSAL METHOD: In accordance with Federal, State and local regulations.
PRECAUTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN HANDLING AND STORING: Wash thoroughly after handling. Keep
containers closed when not in use. Store away from food and food products.
OTHER PRECAUTIONS: Store away from strong alkalis. Avoid contact with skin or any body parts or
clothing that could absorb product. Keep out of the reach of children. Do not get in eyes or on skin.
Section VIII - CONTROL MEASURES
RESPIRATORY PROTECTION: None required if adequate ventilation is maintained. Otherwise, a
NIOSH/MSHA approved organic vapor full face respirator is advised.
VENTILATION: Local exhaust.
OTHER PROTECTIVE CLOTHING: Eye wash and safety shower should be available.
WORK HYGIENIC PRACTICES: Do not get in eyes, on skin or on clothing. Use only with adequate
ventilation. Observe good housekeeping practices.
EYE PROTECTION: Approved safety glasses with side shields.
PROTECTIVE GLOVES: Rubber or neoprene.
Section XVI - OTHER INFORMATION
HAZARD RATING SYSTEMS: This information is for people trained in National Fire Protection Association
(NFPA 704) Identification of the Fire Hazards of Materials.
NFPA 704 KEY: NFPA
HEALTH 3 4=Extreme
FLAMMABILITY 0 3=High
REACTIVITY 2 2=Moderate
1=Slight
0=Insignificant
May be used to comply with OSHA’s Hazard Communication Standard, 29 CFR 1910,1200. Standard
must be consulted for specific requirements.
Poor Boy’s World
MSDS- Spray and Rinse
Page 2
 
:horse: we all know better then to say he has an agenda. GSRstiles has been here for ever & has contributed in a huge way :yes: He just wants to know something that steve cant provide him. :yes:








ok i guess that changed. ... GSR we need to see your proof :eat:
 
Miami_Sunset said:
:horse: we all know better then to say he has an agenda. GSRstiles has been here for ever & has contributed in a huge way :yes: He just wants to know something that steve cant provide him. :yes:

Oh wow, GSR now has Miami Sunset's stamp of approval! There is no way he could ever be wrong now!
 
Leyland said:
Oh wow, GSR now has Miami Sunset's stamp of approval! There is no way he could ever be wrong now!


well Mr. leyland can you explain why my finger was peeling along with my friends ? Or maybe steve can answer that ?
 
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