Photoshop CS5 - Friend or Foe

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my friend just gave me a ton of 3m products wheel cleaner car shampoo perfect it liquid wax tire dressing gloss enhancer glass cleaner vinyl and leather lotion well i noticed that all products have all the stuff they contain in them too bad i dont what they are even had the ph number of the cleaners i dont think i ever used a product that had all that information listed to get to the point the stuff looks pretty good and i want to use it this weekend but i know people here know what products are good and which ones contain stuff that may be harmful so what do u guys know and think of 3m products thanks again

soap ph=6

QD =8.8

tire and wheel cleaner=12.2

wax=75-81
 
I like the 3M Product Line. It is very complete and high quality imo and it is also the choice of many pros. I'm not saying there aren't better high end products on the market but 3M certainly doesn't make junk. I'm currently using their Shampoo which I really like, SMR love it with the PC, Finnesse It II which is a mild compounding abrasive (they have several different levels of abbrasive compounds), and both their liquid and paste Showcar Wax which both look great on my black car. You have a good friend! :)
 
Hey everyone,

Before you read this, please understand that I am not trying to single out any user or group. The point is to point out an issue before it becomes a problem.

A couple weeks ago, Adobe released the new Photoshop CS5. Before the release, there was a video published on YouTube that showcased one new feature of CS5: Content Aware. Content Aware is a simple and easy program that allows users to fill in parts of the photo that are not desirable.

For those who have not viewed the YouTube video, I highly suggest you watch it to understand a bit more about Content Aware.

I have almost no experience with Photoshop, except that I have used it in the past to convert RAW files over to JPEG. But the new Content Aware is almost too easy. By clicking Fill and then Content Aware, you can adjust the image. It is great for removing lens flare and other items that take away from the image.

But, I foresee a problem with CS5.

Here is a photo of some detailing in progress:
cdsc1277.jpg


Here is the same photo with a bit of Content Aware adjusting:
cdsc1277shopped.jpg


With three clicks, a user can turn some nasty swirls into nothing. Basically, a hack detailer can turn a nasty detail into something respectable.

When the image is not cropped, the Content Aware becomes even less noticeable.
bdsc1277shopped.jpg


With some browsers, you can look at the image properties and find what editing software was used. Here is an example from Opera:
shoppern.jpg


I truly hope that no detailer is using Content Aware on their images. It really is disturbing to post these pictures, but I felt it might be worth it to identify the problem.

What are your thoughts?
 
Looks like a potential foe, that's for sure, but there must be some good use for it? It seems like if I was schooled on that program, I could just take a handful of pictures without actually doing anything to the car, and create quite a portfolio in a very short period of time.
 
There are plenty of plug In's all ready out for CS3/CS4 they just made that a new feature in CS5 i assume.My father in law who is an expert user of CS4 can spot the guy's who post pictures of there details and photo shop out defects they couldn't correct.I think using Photo Shop to correct what you can't correct by machine is done more then people think.
 
Brian_Brice said:
Looks like a potential foe, that's for sure, but there must be some good use for it? It seems like if I was schooled on that program, I could just take a handful of pictures without actually doing anything to the car, and create quite a portfolio in a very short period of time.
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LOL. I was thinking this same thing. Now if I could just find this kinda magic in the real world :wizard:

Harleyguy said:
There are plenty of plug In's all ready out for CS3/CS4 they just made that a new feature in CS5 i assume.My father in law who is an expert user of CS4 can spot the guy's who post pictures of there details and photo shop out defects they couldn't correct.I think using Photo Shop to correct what you can't correct by machine is done more then people think.
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Yes Adam, I am afraid of this also. My thinking on this is if someone post pictures they are usually trying to drum up business. The problem with this I see is if someone contacts you because of the pictures you posted of these magificent 100% corrections. What are you going to tell them when you fail to make there ride look the same :o

One thread comes to mind over at Detail World Where some mate did a write-up on touching up bibs and bobs on his bonet. What he was saying all made since, but the actuall close up pictures looked absolutely perfect. I don't consider myself to be the best touch-up artist but I have done hundreds over the years and have never accomplished results like this bloke had. There is no doubt in my mind this chap had either resprayed or done some photo doctoring :spy:
 
I can see your point about this potentially creating problems. Hopefully it will be put to good use, but we all know that there are plenty of bad apples out there.
 
I understand how this "altering" can present false images but the only person I have to satisfy is the customer and until they invent PS glasses I'm secure in the feeling that my work will be above the customer's expectations and will be clearly evident with the naked eye.

I do agree that some people will use this to be less than truthful with their results. I just hope it's not here at TID (key word being Truth).
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say "who cares"...

While it will allow users to manipulate the photos easier, the detailer at the end of the day still has to do the work. If they are creating work that they cannot do or replicate, then their clients are going to find this out quickly.

I currently have seen the actual pictures from 5 different detailers on Autopia who advertise themselves as paint correction pro's when the reality is the car's they detailed looked TERRIBLE!

I'm talking about one guy in South Florida who was kicked off his clients driveway for being so terrible, a couple of guys in the North East who burned trim on Ferrari's and ruined a classic Camaro, a terrible guy in Jersey who is somewhat regarded. I have also fixed work for two 'reputable' detailers in my area.
 
th0001 said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say "who cares"...

While it will allow users to manipulate the photos easier, the detailer at the end of the day still has to do the work. If they are creating work that they cannot do or replicate, then their clients are going to find this out quickly.

I currently have seen the actual pictures from 5 different detailers on Autopia who advertise themselves as paint correction pro's when the reality is the car's they detailed looked TERRIBLE!

I'm talking about one guy in South Florida who was kicked off his clients driveway for being so terrible, a couple of guys in the North East who burned trim on Ferrari's and ruined a classic Camaro, a terrible guy in Jersey who is somewhat regarded. I have also fixed work for two 'reputable' detailers in my area.
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Comeon Todd spill the beans. Who are these hacks you speak of Da Rules!

Are you saying Street Dreams is a hack :cornut:

I already know Apollo is the worst hack of them all :2 cents:
 
I get tons of emails from my friends that contain pics that you have to wonder - real or photo-shopped! It's to the point that you just can't trust much on the internet, which may be a good thing - not that I search for this stuff - but I sure hope this one lady's pic was photo-shopped by a jealous friend, otherwise she got the worst boob job I've ever seen!
 
With a simple click of a button, swirls can be removed? Nasty thing to do.

Taking some video (walkaround) might be the way (unless there's a simple software to edit elements in the videos)
 
So Chris what you are saying is I don't need more pads , just a new camera and a photoshop program. LOL . Interesting article and I would imagine there is more of that going on out there then we know. Paul S
 
Here is the deal:

There is already an abundance of "detailers" using "creative" photography techniques to make their work "appear" better than it actually is..

While they may be "respected" or even "admired" on the net, that status will be short lived because word spreads fast on the street and their customer base will dwindle to nothing...

Doesn't do you any good if people on the net think you are great when the customer has the shoddy work staring them in the face... Da Rules!

Todd, Call me man, I want to hear the dirt and details on the "detailers" you are talking about!
 
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