Personal Review of Makita and Cyclo usage

imported_Axe

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My first experience with a Makita 9227



Well today I had a go with this superb tool, I tried switching it on yesterday for the first time, just to see how it felt, and at setting 3 (1500 RPM) I thought it felt smooth and not as intimidating as I thought it might be. Don't get me wrong, this is a seriously powerful tool, and when cranked all the way up to 6 ... well lets just say there is no way I would go near anything with it on this setting.



So, onto my time with the tool, I decided that I would go with trying to get AXE to a new level, I figured it may be a dangerous thing to do but I gave myself confidence in my own abilities and set to it. I decided to go with #80 on a green sonus pad, so a medium to soft aggresiveness I thought, I set the Makita to 2.5 and went to work. I primed the pad with a big cross of product, and went to work a small 2x2 area, I noticed how easily the tool spun and how easily the product started to work in. Having made perhaps 5 passes of this area I checked the area and felt the paint, it was barely warm and the spider webbings were still there. So, I upped the Mak to 3 and this time I decided to press down on the first couple of passes, I was a little concerned at having to press down, but wow what a difference - The increase in speed and the pressure created heat, not tremendous heat but like hot toast (I don't know if this is too hot?) however when I wiped off the residue what a difference. The webbing seemed to have almost totally gone, and the polish had burnished in such a way that I could have just gone straight to LSP.



So I went to the rest of the car, having done the whole bonnet (hood) first - I found it really quite difficult on the vertical panels on the doors for example, however I found that if I held the loop handle in such a way against the rotation of the spinning head it seemed to balance quite nicely and so I continued over the car.



The splatter is unbelievable, I often had to wipe down panels I had done before and windows and trim and everything, it is a real PITA. However, I reckon with some experience this could be reduced quite dramatically ... I hope so anyhow! Once I had done the car with the Makita I decided I would use VM with the cyclo to really deepen and finish of AXE, this turned out to be a good move, the reflections and depth were now taking shape. I decided to top the car with Collinite 850, I applied this with Cyclo, and wiped it off with the PC and MF bonnets, all I can say is wow, and if this Collinite maintains its current appearance for a month or two I will be very happy.



So, to sum up then, I would say that a rotary is a very powerful tool, it is quite heavy but very well balanced, and extremely powerful. I was a little intimidated, and I would need a lot more experience before I touched someone else's car with it, but it made such a fantastic job I cannot imagine detailing a car without one, it is so good. I have attached a finished pic of AXE, I am going to do my wife's car tomorrow, and I intend to use IP on that car, I had a quick go with IP and noticed it dusted a lot, not sure if I am using IP correctly with the rotary as it dusted so fast, I would be grateful for any advice from you pro rotary users with using IP, thanks.



You have all probably seen AXE before, but I can honestly say this is the best I have seen the car, so I will post just one pic of the polished article, maybe I will sort some pics out of the wifes car and paint correction tomorrow or later on



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My first experience with a Cyclo



Today (actually 3 weeks ago now) I used the cyclo for the first time, and I have to say what a rewarding and pleasant experience it was. Firstly the little pads that go on the feet of the machine are so easy to clean, and it is apparent when using the machine that due to these pads being so small, some heat is generated, this seems to aid in paint correction.



The second thing I noticed was the weight of this thing, thinking initially this could be a problem, however in use this weight actually helps the device to do its job, and you can tell using it that you do not really need to add any extra pressure. The handles are in such a position that using the Cyclo is a real pleasure, I did the whole of my car with #80 today with the Orange pads and managed to work the product well into the car, this tool is beautifully smooth to use, no big vibrations like the PC.



I will now find myself using the Cyclo to apply glazes and LSP's and using the PC to buff out the LSP or apply wax maybe, but without doubt the tool of choice to correct paint would be the Makita. I can also say, that I am glad I own all 3 of these tools, each is good for particular jobs and each is a quality made tool.



OK, thanks for reading, look forward to your comments and any tips on using a rotary etc, thanks. :)
 
Nice review Axe. :bigups



I've read alot about how hard it is avoiding holograms until one has considerable experience with a rotary...how did you go with this area?
 
Thanks Alfisti, I did create a hologram or two on the hood, however I was able to remove them with the Makita! I think I found that having experience with the PC and the Cyclo made me move the rotary slowly over the surface, rather than quickly which might be the case for people not used to using machines to polish cars. So, either by luck or management I managed to get the car done hologram free.
 
Holograms are easy to make with a rotary, fortunately just as easy to remove! You just need to remember NOT to move the tool quickly over the surface. I would say no more than say 4 inches per second, based on my experience.
 
Thanks Gonzo, how fast would you set up a rotary to remove deep swirls, and which product and aggressiveness of pad would you use?



It's funny I have just been asked to do that red Audi you can see next to mine in the pics - it is nearly white in lots of places the oxidisation is so bad. It is swirled like I have never seen, and I am not sure I want to go at a car like that so early in my rotary career! :) In fact, not even sure a rotary would remove the swirls in that thing, especially it being the notorious Audi paint. Any suggestions?



Check out the images

degsyswirl.jpg




and



degsyroof.jpg
 
If your paint description is accurate, first I would attack it with Menzerna Power Gloss using a cutting pad. Work it until you cannot see any resitual marring. Next up would be some IP and a polishing pad and finally some P085RD (or FP) with a finishing pad. The PG is really awesome polish and if worked long enough with the Makita, will produce a polished surface that is about 90% ready for your finishing product(s). It is thicker than toothpaste and don't use "too much" just a line of the stuff around the pad and smear well over the paint by hand before turning on the polisher.



See these threads



http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43701

http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43703

http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43704



I used 1Z PP followed by FP at that time, but the PG did the bulk of the work. The truck did not start out as bad as the Audi in your pix seems. The PG will hologram if you more the polisher too quickly, so just be careful. On the L, I don't think I wen over 1000 PM at any time, but it was 95 degrees F and in the sun, so getting the paint "hot enough to move it" wasn't an issue....



Hope this helps.
 
Ye Mike ... sorry I have cleared another email out of there, but I only have 4 messages in there, how can it be full I don't understand it :)
 
Go for it on that Audi Paul,

I think you underestimate your abilities.

You are using a good approach to using the correct pressure and combo of pads and products.



Mark
 
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