Perfect-It III and Einszett Polish

Nick T.

Nick T.

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This past week I acquired Einszett’s Metallic Polish and their Paint Polish as well as 3M’s Perfect-It III Machine Glaze (05937) and their Finishing Glaze (05941) and spent most of this weekend using them on my roadster. Lately I’ve been focused on doing rather than experimenting, so this isn’t really a review - just a few comments. BTW, I only tried these products with a RO buffer, not by hand.



Einszett Paint Polish, at $13 for 500ml (16.9oz) and 3M Perfect-It III Machine Glaze, at $26 for a quart, are very similar in both performance and price . Both are outstanding as mildly abrasive swirl mark removers.



Einszett Metallic Polish, at $13 for 500ml (16.9oz) and 3M Perfect-It III Finishing Glaze, at $19 for a quart, are very similar in performance, while the 3M product is a little less expensive. Both are outstanding as very mildly abrasive final polishes/glazes.



The Einszett (which means One Z and suits me as a recovering Zainoholic and a Z3 driver who applies liquid product in the shape of a “Z�) comes in different colored containers - like Klasse - making it easier to grab the correct product. That’s a plus for Einszett! The Einszett containers have a rather large opening, making it difficult to apply small amounts of product without some spilling. That’s a minus for Einszett.



For the time being I’ve decided to limit my product experimentation and focus more on improving my methods and techniques with a single set of products. For the abrasives my choice will be the 3M line.
 
Been trying out 1Z products myself. What I do is pour their stuff in smaller bottles as I can dispense them alot use than trying to use their tin cans
 
jsoto said:
Been trying out 1Z products myself. What I do is pour their stuff in smaller bottles as I can dispense them alot use than trying to use their tin cans
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Great idea! :xyxthumbs
 
Hey where did you get the 3M Machine Glaze, and how does it compare to DACP? Which one is more abrasive, if the same which one do you think is better
 
OUCH, I get my 3M products from a local paint store. There are two paint stores in the nearest town with concrete sidewalks (about 30 minutes away) and both carry a good selection of 3M and other car paint care products even though they are primarily selling house paint.



Can’t compare to DACP since I’ve never used it. Without doing a side-by-side comparison it’s hard to say with any real accuracy, but I think that the PI-3 Machine Glaze is a little more abrasive than Meg’s #9 and PI-3 Finishing Glaze is a little less abrasive than #9.



When it comes to polishes/cleaners/glazes I don’t really think that there is a “better� product. You need to match the abrasiveness to your needs, and the filling to your desires. Ummm, now that I've said that, there may be some of these products that fall into the "not very good" category - but 3M. Meg's. Mothers, Einszett, and most others don't fall there.
 
Oh cool thanks for the input, right now I have DACP really wanted 3M Machine Glaze but couldn't find it anywhere else but online. Maybe I'll just wait till I'm almost done with DACP before I buy 3M MG
 
DACP is more aggressive than PI-III MG #05937and less than Meg's #9 just like Nick thought. I have and use them all. I really love DACP with the rotary. PI-III MG from my understanding was designed for the rotary though several on here use it with the PC and get great results.



Try finding the PI-III from autobody supply stores in your area. It is not cheap but it is really good stuff!!!



:xyxthumbs
 
Nick T -

When you used 3M's PI-III, did you use the black foam waffle pad?



I used this product once and the outcome was outstanding. Easy to work with and made the clear slick as glass.



Thanks
 
I did a quick side-by-side comparison of the PI-III and Paint Polish on a red 02 Jetta I did today. To my eyes, the 3M seemed slightly more aggressive than the Paint Polish. Both worked great though!



Mike
 
2hotford - - I’m either confused or confusing or both!



I’ve never used DACP so I didn’t include it in my response to OUCH, but from what I’ve heard it is more aggressive than Meg’s #9 or PI-3 Machine Glaze.



I have used Meg’s #9 quite a bit and also fairly recently, but I did not do a side-by-side comparison of #9 to PI-3 Machine Glaze or Finishing Glaze. Maybe I burned too many doobies in the ‘60s and my memory is gone, but after using both PI-3 MG and FG this weekend my impression is that the PI-3 MG is a little more aggressive than Meg’s #9, and that PI-3 FG is a little less aggressive than Meg’s #9.



The PI-3 MG’s bottle says that it is to be used with a rotary, but I was pleased with it on my Porter Cable RO buffer. The PI-3 FG’s bottle says that it is to be used by hand or with a DA. I didn’t try it by hand.



Rain-on - - I used CMA’s pads. With the Machine Glaze I tried both the yellow (medium cut) cutting pad and the white (light cut) polishing pad. With the Finishing Glaze I used both the white (light cut) polishing pad and the gray (no cut) finishing pad. I used speed settings of 4.5 to 5 with the yellow pad, 4.0 to 4.5 with the white pad, and 3.5 to 4.0 with the gray pad. I don’t have a lot of Porter Cable experience, so I’m still in the learning stage about pad, speed, and product combinations.
 
Nick T. said:


Can’t compare to DACP since I’ve never used it. Without doing a side-by-side comparison it’s hard to say with any real accuracy, but I think that the PI-3 Machine Glaze is a little more abrasive than Meg’s #9 and PI-3 Finishing Glaze is a little less abrasive than #9.
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Nick, I was commenting on your speculation of the Meg #9 and the PI-III MG. Since I have and use both, I can offer IMHO that #9 is indeed less aggressive than PI-III MG. Moreover, I can add to the comments that DACP is more aggressive than PI-III MG. Sorry, I think the confusion was more on my part than yours; I should have been more clear, sorry! :(



Your OK, the 60's has not left a long lasting affect, at least not mentally!!! LOL!!:D :D
 
Thanks F1 - is it okay to call you by your first name, or should I be more formal and call you Mr. Crazy? Steve’s Roadfly post was what got me started thinking about trying the PI-3 line.



For the time being I’ve decided to limit my product experimentation, and to focus more on improving my methods and techniques with a single set of products. 3M IHG for a non-abrasive glaze. For the very light and light abrasives my choice will be PI-3 FG and PI-3 MG. I don’t know yet what to choose for the medium and heavy cut abrasives.



What would be your choices for something about equal to Meg’s #2 and another that is a little more aggressive?
 
Nick,

I figured that you've seen his original post on roadfly, this one here had a little comparison I thought would be useful.



If you're looking for something more abrasive I think you can't go wrong with 3M products:

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or it's paste version:
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To be honest with you I've never seen a reason to look for anything more aggressive and DACP or FI-II worked as my medium polish with 3M SMR being the mildest. I'm hoping that PI-III MG will replace my medium polish.
 
Nick,



How much did you "work" the PI-III MG with the PC before you started removing by hand? I found that if you "work" it until you're almost buffing of the dried product (similar to how I work DACP) with the pad, it's a pain to remove using a dry MF. However, misting the MF w/ just plain water removes the MG on the surface almost completely. Not sure if it's meant to be that way because of the non-filling nature of MG, or perhaps I should've not allowed the product to dry...



Anyhow, geekysteve's review is right on the money. The PI-III MG does not leave an oily-look or finish to the paint. As Steve said, it leaves the panel with sort of a "newly-painted look". I would say DACP looks a lot deeper because of the oils, but PI-III MG would be a more ideal prep for a polymer or an acrylic sealant.
 
jduarte,

Good question! My results were similar to yours. I started by not working the MG until it was dry, and it wiped off easily and cleanly. The first time that I worked it until dry it scared the <S>s</S><S>hit</S> poop out of me! I had 1000W of low angle halogen on my work area, and there was the 4� long, bad looking, semicircular scratch staring back at me after I wiped off the residue! I wiped it with a MF towel and could feel it, so I spritzed it with a little distilled water - and it wiped right off!



I think that I got the best results by starting with light to moderate pressure on the PC and gradually decreasing the pressure so that when the product is almost dry there is only the weight of the PC on the pad.



Under the hi-intensity low angle light I could see a little oily residue on my black paint, so I think that a finicky polymer like Zaino might require a detergent wipe down to allow bonding.
 
Nick,



Have you ever tried the 3M Finesse-It II Finishing Compound before? You would use it before the PI-III MG. If you like PI-III MG you will love the FI-II FC though it may be a little difficult to use with a PC.



Here is a close up on of my 3M section. The FI-II bottle is in the middle.
 
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