PBS product and different color cars

joe.p

joe.p

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I see PBS has many products ex-p, pwc etc and from what i've read different products work better on lighter/darker vehicles. could someone list what products look or work better on darker paint and what products will enhance the lighter colors.

Another thing that confuses me is what product to use with what sealers/wax,theres natty's, natty's blue ,ex, ex-p. does one product work better with another or is it a matter of preference :confused: .
 
I don't get paid by the company, but here goes what I know.

There are two main products I use that are designed for darker cars: Natty's Blue Paste Wax and a Polish with Carnauba Blue designed for darker cars. All other products are general use, and the regular Natty's and regular Polish with Carnauba are for light and metallic cars.

You are asking about products, let's take 2 categories: Polishes & Waxes/Sealants.

Polishes:
-The SSR series, Super Swirl Removers, is a series of various polishes with different abrasion. SSR3, 2.5, 2, and 1 are four steps, from heavier abrasion to lighter, in removing surface scratches and swirls. They take quite a bit of work, especially by hand or with a PC, but work well. They are comparable to cut polishes or compounds in other lines, but have the simplest system of understanding that I know. I don't prefer the dyes, but they work well.
-There is ProPolish, which is a commercially viable product for one step polish & shine. Quite a versatile product, but I have little experience with it. It would be a step less abrasive than SSR1.
-My favourite is the Polish with Carnauba, which takes out the scratching you can't see and leaves a nice gloss. Blue for dark and regular for the rest, they work well. Not wet like a paste wax, but glossy. Apparantly the Polish with Sealant is coming out this spring. A great product, very easy to use by hand or machine, but I'm concerned about following with a sealant, so best to follow with a wax.

Waxes/Sealants:
A wax is a natural Carnauba product that gives a nice warm, deep glow and protects for 6-12 weeks. A sealant is a synthetic product that gives a sharp, glossy shine and protects for 3-6 months.
-Natty's Blue for Dark and regular paste waxes are very easy to use, dry in 30 mins, and easy to remove. They smell great too, and give the shine I like. I don't know how long they last, but as well as any wax I believe, and cheaper than many paste waxes.
-EX is a sealant with Carnauba for a warmer look in a one step application than many sealants I've tried. It works just like a wax--most sealants do--with easy on, haze, easy off steps.
-EX-P is a pure sealant without Carnauba and has no cleaning properties. It has probably the longest protection of the PB's line, and can be followed with any wax I've tried.
-QW+ is Quick Wax Plus, which used to be QD+. It works like a spray wax or QD, which I am a fan of neither. I haven't tried it, but have some.

If you are a monthly waxer, any product will work. The one rule is that waxes can top sealants, but not vice versa. Play around, and let us know how it goes.
 
Very good advice PEI. Just to add a few things. The SSRs IMO like polishing pads better than cutting pads with the PC. Be sure to work them in and you will get really good results. The PwC Blue may hide minor swirls better than the regular PwC when used on darker cars if you don't work it in for a long time. EX will give you a warm glossy finish whereas EX-P leaves the finish cery clear and sharp with great reflections. EX-P will bring out the metal flake in lighter colored cars like you wouldn't believe. Add PwC or PP or even SSR1 as final polishes to the mix and the finishes chagne somewhat. As long as you polish, paint cleaner and a sealer you will be all set. It's just a matter of what color of car you have and results you want. You will have zero problems with and PB product not being able to work with another one. Remember, ALl Poorboys Products are easy on easy off and can be applied in the sun!
 
Pei,
thanks for taking the time to write i know your busy with the shop.

i'm sure i'll continue to detail cars throughout the winter i want to stay with one product for detailing and keep my WG & souveran products for my self as of now i been using those products on the nicer cars i detail so i can offer high end products but cost effective it's not.

P.S. Steve probably busy with the babies right now :p .
oops Steve has chimed in.
 
joe.p said:
Pei,

P.S. Steve probably busy with the babies right now :p .
oops Steve has chimed in.
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yeah there's no school today as it's Veteran's Day and my hands are going to be pretty tied up today..and it'll be a looooong weekend :help:
 
Yeah, I have to charge $5-$10 extra for Souveran, whereas I can offer NXT Tech Wax, Natty's, EX, or EX-P for all basically the same price and same cost. Even then, though PwC is more than double the cost of commercial polish. I'm liking it enough to continue though.
And Steve, feel free to PM me the contract. I've also got a long weekend.
 
Ok these are my PBS products for paint, yes Steve i have other PBS for other projects. without going overboard. i want one line of products to address the lighter/darker paints. i have no swirl-rem for now i've been using WG.

Heres what pbs i have, for now will these do

ex-p

ppc

nattys paste wax
 
joe.p said:
Ok these are my PBS products for paint, yes Steve i have other PBS for other projects. without going overboard. i want one line of products to address the lighter/darker paints. i have no swirl-rem for now i've been using WG.

Heres what pbs i have, for now will these do

ex-p

ppc

nattys paste wax
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Joe,

you can use any or all of them on light or dark paints. There will be little difference to a customer, but it will be to a detailer who can compare products and has a keener eye. Most customers will only expect to see a clean smooth and shiny surface that will last them a few months. Most of them have poor maintenece habits and won't expect much more.
Natty's was originally intended for any color car, when we brought out the Blue it was for those who had really good dark finishes, but also needed a little hiding ability when every swirl or scratch could not be removed.
hope this helps you:D
 
-There is ProPolish, which is a commercially viable product for one step polish & shine. Quite a versatile product, but I have little experience with it. It would be a step less abrasive than SSR1.



Not quite I removed a ton of Hazing and swirls with this that i normally would have to use SSR3 for
 
yes ProPolish can do everything any of the SSR's can do, but it is totally pad dependant ...it can remove 1500 sanding marks with a wool pad and a rotary or be used with a finishing pad on a pc to do final prep ...very versitile:yes:
 
is the ppc in my list the pro polish?
if so than the couple products i have are fine for now.

poorboy your right about most people do not maintain their cars. when i did my neighbor subaru the paint was terrible and i made it a point to show her before i started the work. my point is when i was done with her detail she was sooo thankful and called others to the garage to see how shiney her car was, and yeah it was shiney but there was some bird etching and scratch's i couldn't remove she couldn't care less about that all she talked about how shiney the car was and for me all i kept thinking was the bird etching that was left on the hood.
 
I just had to chime in because I LOVE Poorboy's product line. Its helped give me the confindence to detail in the beginning.

IMO use EX-P for silvers and whites .Gives a wet deep almost like a hrd candy shell look. Anything with flake I use EX .

Thanks Steve and all PB employees for some exceptional products
 
Poorboy said:
yes ProPolish can do everything any of the SSR's can do, but it is totally pad dependant ...it can remove 1500 sanding marks with a wool pad and a rotary or be used with a finishing pad on a pc to do final prep ...very versitile:yes:
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I think that Propolish is a very under rated product, I watched what it can do during Poorboy's detailing day this year, and I walked away rather impressed.

Now back to the original question,
I like EX for my darker colors and EX-P for the lighter, but you can't go wrong with either or just top it with Natty's or Natty's blue

"J"
 
Yes, there is a difference PwC is Polish W/ Carnuaba and Propolish is just a polish.
I have Found that Pwc makes a pretty decent 1 step.

Good Luck
"J"
 
thanks to everyone who responded, and lots of great info. pbs will be my go to when detailing for others. i'm gonna slowly build my arsenal .
 
jaybs95 said:
I think that Propolish is a very under rated product, I watched what it can do during Poorboy's detailing day this year, and I walked away rather impressed.

Now back to the original question,
I like EX for my darker colors and EX-P for the lighter, but you can't go wrong with either or just top it with Natty's or Natty's blue

"J"
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Sorry but what is Ex and Ex-p?
 
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