Paint is more swirly after PC :(

palomino

palomino

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I PC'ed my car and it is more swirly now than before. The scratches I wanted out are gone, but now Ive got swirls instead. I used Poorboy's SSR 2.5 on a orange light cutting pad at speed 5, followed by SSR1 on a white polishing pad also at speed 5. I used PB's EX-P sealant on the grey finishing pad at speed 2, and PB's Natty's by hand.

As I was wiping the Natty's off, I noticed the swirls, and they changed directions as I wiped over them. Does this mean the swirls are in the wax only? If so, how can I avoid this next time around?

In case it matters, the car has a clear coat.
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Could you post pictures of these swirls? Get an angle of the sun shining on the paint and you can take a picture of just the swirls. That would help.

If your swirls are chaning direction as you wipe over the paint, then you aren't seeing swirls. That is just the oily streaking from the wax. That will evaporate and go away. Try buffing again with a clean and dry microfiber and the streaks can be buffed off.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
Could you post pictures of these swirls? Get an angle of the sun shining on the paint and you can take a picture of just the swirls. That would help.

If your swirls are chaning direction as you wipe over the paint, then you aren't seeing swirls. That is just the oily streaking from the wax. That will evaporate and go away. Try buffing again with a clean and dry microfiber and the streaks can be buffed off.
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Yeah, I realized after posting those that they dont display the swirls!

Hopefully, Ill be able to post them up tonight.
 
I would have to say with pretty good confidence that what you have there is buffer haze. An abrasive combo like ssr2.5 and a light cut pad will leave that hazing. TO remove it you will probably need to use some 2.5 with a polishing pad or ssr2 with a polishing pad. You could try ssr1 but it would probably take quite a few passes to remove the haze.

Steve from poorboys has a rule of thumb that goes as follows:

If you use any product with a light cut pad, follow it with the same product on a polishing pad. Its a good rule of thumb.

The other way to remove it and probably the easiest is if you have menzerna FPII use it with a polishing pad, It tends to really get rid of any hazing and leave a super crystal clean, clear paint. IF you dont have FPII just try the PB route, Its not a need to buy a new bottle of polish.

Give it a shot and let us know how it goes.

Greg
 
palomino said:
I used PB's EX-P sealant on the grey finishing pad at speed 2, and PB's Natty's by hand.

As I was wiping the Natty's off, I noticed the swirls, and they changed directions as I wiped over them. Does this mean the swirls are in the wax only? If so, how can I avoid this next time around?

Palomino, I was wondering if you let the EX-P cure properly. I believe that it would be nice to have at least 24 hours cure time before application of another product. At least that is what I do now with EX-P.

Myabe Steve from Poorboy's might see this.

I agree that a QD mite help solve the problem in lieu of cure time.
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GregCavi said:
I would have to say with pretty good confidence that what you have there is buffer haze. An abrasive combo like ssr2.5 and a light cut pad will leave that hazing. TO remove it you will probably need to use some 2.5 with a polishing pad or ssr2 with a polishing pad. You could try ssr1 but it would probably take quite a few passes to remove the haze.

Steve from poorboys has a rule of thumb that goes as follows:

If you use any product with a light cut pad, follow it with the same product on a polishing pad. Its a good rule of thumb.

The other way to remove it and probably the easiest is if you have menzerna FPII use it with a polishing pad, It tends to really get rid of any hazing and leave a super crystal clean, clear paint. IF you dont have FPII just try the PB route, Its not a need to buy a new bottle of polish.

Give it a shot and let us know how it goes.

Greg
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I don't think that's the case here. He followed with SSR 1 on a polishing pad. That would probably be enough to fix any hazing the 2.5 would have put in.
 
tubafeak said:
I don't think that's the case here. He followed with SSR 1 on a polishing pad. That would probably be enough to fix any hazing the 2.5 would have put in.
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It depends what speed was used. When I was a pc user, I would often take 3-4 passes to remove haze if a light cutting pad, and a higher speed was used.

As mentioned above though the other possiblity of the sealant not curing, I could aslo see were that could be the cause.

Greg
 
I would have used a polishing pad with the SSR 2.5 then step down with the SSR's and cont with a polishing pad t. you can use a blue LC pad to apply the SSR 1 or PWC if available,make sure you rinse the pad before using another product. Also if the orange pad needed to be cleaned or you had any product that caked up on the pad over time this would also create swirls.

joe.p
 
I just had a similar experience with the same PB products, except I used strictly a polishing pad. Used SSR 2.5 followed by SSR 1, with a new polishing pad. This was my first time with the PC. After all of this polishing I could see tiny scratches on most of the car sort of swirling in different directions. I worked the product in until it dusted. Maybe I needed a second pass or maybe I needed to use a light cutting pad, I just don't know. I don't know if these scratches were there before polishing but I suspect they were. The polishing did a super job cleaning the paint but I was disappointed to see so many small scratches after so much work. Another question I have is are these products getting enough heat to break down properly if I am polishing in 30 degree weather??
 
Thanks for the advice so far!

The paint feels like glass, and from most angles the paint looks glossy and wet, but these swirls just irritate me to no end!


Matt@Autogeek said:
Yup, typical streaking...a QD usually solves this. Oh, the car looks great. :)
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Thanks, your store has taken hundreds of my dollars! But my car looks so beautiful now.
cwcad said:
Palomino, I was wondering if you let the EX-P cure properly. I believe that it would be nice to have at least 24 hours cure time before application of another product. At least that is what I do now with EX-P.
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I didnt let it sit long, because the directions didnt say to. Ill try this next time though!
 
What did you use to remove all of the products that you applyed? I don't think there was nothing wrong with your process that would have caused those swirl marks. It's possible that you picked up some small debri on your pad(s) that you couldn't see or there was something on the tool that you used to remove the products. I can see where that would be a pain after spending that much time. Good luck
 
use a decent wax a polishing or finishing pad on setting 4 or 5.......then remove with a mf bonnet or rag on setting 2
i have a black car and know exactly what your talking about
another thing is make sure you clean you pads
when i do my car i generally clean my cutting pad about 3 times
you gotta keep your pads clean
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To remove everything, I used MF towels by hand.

Ill definitely try using MF bonnet on a lower speed and cleaning the pads more often, along with putting in a round of 2.5 on a polishing pad.
 
palomino said:
To remove everything, I used MF towels by hand.

Ill definitely try using MF bonnet on a lower speed and cleaning the pads more often, along with putting in a round of 2.5 on a polishing pad.
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Also make sure theirs enough product between the pad and the paint use your best judgement and try not to over load the pad..
 
What happens if you use too much product? I think I may have done this. :redface:

The recommended 3 or 4 stripes along the endge of the pad has never seemed like enough product to me. Is that REALLY all you need to use?
 
If there is too much product then the diminishing abrasives in the product won't work to their full potential which leaves having and swirls. I usually use a thin bead of product on the pad about an inch from the outside and haven't had any problems. Check out the link below- Steve has some pictures in there that may help you out.

http://www.detailcity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14287

BTW- 2.5 should get rid of those swirls no problem with a polishing pad and speeds 5-6 (probably better with 6). Hope this helps!
 
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