paint is almost swirl free but...

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xinkid

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I got a good detailer to polish out my cars. He did a really good job trying to remove all the swirls and sealed with #21. The next day, my wife said her car looked very smooth but it didn't "wow" her. Trying to ramp up the bling, I quick detailed the whole car using ONR, applied DWG by hand and topped with AW. The day after, my wife said she did see an improvement but it still doesn't wow her.



I got a good look at her car in sunlight today. I must say that I agree with her. There is something "unclear" or "dull" about the paint. I've noticed this ever since we bought it but I thought that was caused by the millions of swirls installed by the dealer. Now that the swirls are gone but that unclear look is still there. Why is that? I will let the pictures show what I'm talking about.

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Hood is mostly swirl free

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One thing I noticed is that the roof is the best looking part of the car! Look at how much better the same tree reflection looks from the roof vs the hood.

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This is both confusing and quite disappointing, even more so when considering my 14 year old Toyota looks much better in comparison. It was polished out by the same detailer and it doesn't even have DWG on it. What's wrong?



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If the paint is perfect i.e no dullness, marring from the compounding, then it could just be he colour of the car.



More metallic equals more pop whereas a flat blue will just be flat and have plenty of reflections.
 
The car is blue metallic. The #21 did mute the flakes. Also, if you look at the hood vs the roof tree reflections, you will find that the hood is much more dull, even though it's not in the direct sun shot.
 
M21 is a sealant and typically sealants do not give you much depth or that wet look shine that you are probably looking for. They tend to be more reflective than anything. A carnauba might give you the look you are aiming for. It could also just be the color of the car. Some colors just don't have much pop.



Is the car original paint, or has it been repainted?
 
Maybe that's just a dull color. I typically like blue, but the last car I bought, the blue just had no life to it (like in your picture) and I went with another color.
 
I'd say try a "bright", glossy sealant like KSG or Z2Pro if you want it to pop more. My other idea is a little more "accessible" and bound to catch some flak, but I have a hunch you might like the appearance of NXT on this paint. The downside there would be the durability, but when it's fresh on some cars the appearance is top notch.
 
I agree with all the above it is pretty much dependent on the finish of the paint. Bring it back to the detailer and have him go over it with a finer polish on a "finishing" pad and it should at a little more life then try a glaze such as RMG then a wax...reach for a carnuba based
 
Thanks for the comments. I really appreciate your input on this as I felt quite lost and a little depressed about having no idea why it is so, LOL. I will try to contact the detailer again and ask him nicely to do a finishing polish. The clear is pretty hard on that Nissan and he really worked hard to get the swirls out, with a rotary, too. I'll let you know how things turn out.
 
also something to think about is just because all of the swirls are taken out doesnt mean the paint cant be polished even more to give it that wow factor. using multiple polishing stages will help in that regard. also i like the advice about using a carnaube wax instead, more depth.
 
I really don't think anything can be done to help that paint, not using a fine polish, not a nuba, nothing. I've seen and detailed some blues that are just completely lifeless, even after polishing to perfection. That color looks like one of them.
 
Bigpoppa3346 said:
I really don't think anything can be done to help that paint, not using a fine polish, not a nuba, nothing. I've seen and detailed some blues that are just completely lifeless, even after polishing to perfection. That color looks like one of them.
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I feel the same way, this colour (or similar) also seems to appear on some Toyotas Corolla's and it never seems to come up with anything nice.



My one shot of advice, one of my cars is swirled and has CC failure and i have just left it to mold until i get rid of it. But as i still use it i wanted to imrpove the looks on the decent panels, i fould that plastic/gloss products made it look better then my more high end gear.



AIO-CG EZ-G and KSG. Also CG-EZG, FK 2180 then Nattys or PW seem to create a really glossy look even on dull paintwork.



Geoff
 
hit it with something like menzerna FPII a couple times and then wax with a good carnuba...should bring out the most shine...if that doesnt work, then the color sucks and repaint the thing to impress the wife...hahaha
 
I see what you mean but I believe that the paint has some potential



Aussie gold showroom glaze or Driven to perfection quick spray at 1000 to 2000 rpm with an LC white or blue pad and rotary will really bring up the wetness and depth

Many paints that are dull get Aussie gold at 2000, it really lifts out the colour and wetness.



Then I'd machine apply Prima Amigo and finish by hand with permagard PD5000 or Glare Micro Finish and Professional Polish, hand apply two coats of Pro as a sealant and then apply Aussie gold or Driven after each wash with a $20 dollar orbital machine with a microfibre bonnet



The latter method has really lifted my paint to thick wet glass and mine is blue metallic
 
Seriously there is not much short of repainting to bring more depth into that blue. It is just one of those color that will not shine much. I had the same problem and used a combo of Jesteal and 5050 that darkens the paint a it and that gave it more gloss.
 
I bet aussie gold and driven quick spray would. Blue or black pad with rotary at 800 to 1800 rpm will really enhance depth and the wetness.
 
The Toyota looks like single stage paint from the pictures, so really not an apples to apples comparison if thats the case. Maybe #21 is giving off a sterile look on that color, before you throw in the towel, maybe try something else on it.
 
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