Paint correction qualification / results

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WAS

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I have a question for those that regularly do paint correction (and those that post them). I often see fellow detailers and Autopians listing "95% correction" or "98% correction".



Maybe it's because I don't do as many paint corrections as some of you, but what exactly is 98% correction ? What was left uncorrected ? Some very minor evidence of swirling left behind ? Some RIDS that wouldn't come out ? Why wasn't one able to get the last 2% ? Is there an actual method of calculation, or is it just fly-by-your-pants percentages made-up based on the detailers experience with other vehicles and their skill ability ? :confused:
 
I always tell my clients that I strive for 90%. On some older cars, with lots of rock chips and general neglect, it's nearly impossible to get even close to that.





95%, is what I would consider "show quality."



98%, I consider "concours quality," or even "fresh out of the paint booth."
 
VanityDetailing said:
I always tell my clients that I strive for 90%. On some older cars, with lots of rock chips and general neglect, it's nearly impossible to get even close to that.





95%, is what I would consider "show quality."



98%, I consider "concours quality," or even "fresh out of the paint booth."
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Interesting, alrighty.



LS1-MEX said:
its impossible to get 100% paint correction.....i tell my customers 95% corrected....
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Why 95% though ? Why not 96% ? Or 90% ? I'm curious as to how you came up with the figure 95%.
 
I agree with Vanity.



The extra 2%-5% is typically RIDS or rock chips or something.



Some RIDS will come out with wet sanding but some do not come out completely and you can only take it down so far.



Sometimes the difference between 5% and 2% is the amount of RIDS left and yes it's really up to the detailer to make that judgment call IMO.



Josh
 
JoshVette said:
Sometimes the difference between 5% and 2% is ..
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...maybe just...



...fly-by-your-pants percentages
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Heh heh, hey, I use those numbers too..."90%" just sounds really good and, well, "95%" sounds better, like near perfection but with a little margin for error.



IMO 85% would usually qualify for "best car in the parking lot" in real life, and by a pretty good margin. But hey, I'm just flying by the seat of my pants with that number too.
 
I usually use the % thing when I am explaining 1 2 or 3 step, to help explain the amount of correction they are likley to see. Its a good way to allow the customer to better understand what each additional step will do to help their paint :D
 
JoshVette said:
I agree with Vanity.



The extra 2%-5% is typically RIDS or rock chips or something.



Some RIDS will come out with wet sanding but some do not come out completely and you can only take it down so far.



Sometimes the difference between 5% and 2% is the amount of RIDS left and yes it's really up to the detailer to make that judgment call IMO.



Josh
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I agree. I also think it's different from detailer to detailer to an extent. Just like some call a M105/orange/PC'd LSP ready and other don't, my 90% can be someone's 95% and another's 80%. It's made up numbers by the deailer based on what his/her eye sees and from the experience they have. I always use either % or 1-10 scale to explain to the client what condition the paint is in at the moment and what condition each of my services will yield. Doing test spots helps immensely as they can relate the numbers to the physical results and understand better what I'm talking about.



Long story short, made up numbers with no particular calculation, just an estimate of current defects left over as compared to perfect, 100% paint.
 
lecchilo said:
I agree. I also think it's different from detailer to detailer to an extent. Just like some call a M105/orange/PC'd LSP ready and other don't, my 90% can be someone's 95% and another's 80%. It's made up numbers by the deailer based on what his/her eye sees and from the experience they have. I always use either % or 1-10 scale to explain to the client what condition the paint is in at the moment and what condition each of my services will yield. Doing test spots helps immensely as they can relate the numbers to the physical results and understand better what I'm talking about.



Long story short, made up numbers with no particular calculation, just an estimate of current defects left over as compared to perfect, 100% paint.
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What he said.:usa
 
To completely remove ALL scratches, one would have to level the paint down to the deepest scratch. Usually the deepest scratches are too risky to remove. Unless one is wiping down the panel with Alcohol or another product designed to remove polishing oils, you have no way of knowing if the scratches are 100% gone. To even achieve 90% correction, takes a lot of time and requires much skill and patience.
 
LS1-MEX said:
its impossible to get 100% paint correction.....i tell my customers 95% corrected....
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It is absolutely possible to do that. There are many members here who do it. Not everyone has that skill, or the clientele to pay for that though.



JoshVette said:
I agree with Vanity.



The extra 2%-5% is typically RIDS or rock chips or something.



Some RIDS will come out with wet sanding but some do not come out completely and you can only take it down so far.



Sometimes the difference between 5% and 2% is the amount of RIDS left and yes it's really up to the detailer to make that judgment call IMO.



Josh
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Josh hit it dead on. :)
 
gofast908z said:
It is absolutely possible to do that. There are many members here who do it. Not everyone has that skill, or the clientele to pay for that though...
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Guess it just depends on the vehicle, but I've never owned anything that stayed nice enough for true 100% *once I'd driven it enough*. Always something that's too deep/permanent for complete correction.



Not a matter of skill or anything like that either...you just can't fix some stuff unless you repaint or replace parts. And I don't mind thinning the paint down to the "uh-oh) point now and then either...sometimes there's only so much you can do.



But then even my garage-queens get used pretty hard (when they do come out...) so maybe my vehicles just get a lot of unusually serious damage :think:



Heh heh, last time I let a dealer remove the transit wrap they instilled a scratch that was too deep for safe removal (and yeah...I let 'em know how I felt about it, it still bugs me 8 years later), and that was a brand-new vehicle.
 
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