P21S/S100 must be the same product

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Dolphin463

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I was looking at Top of the Line's web site and noticed they are now carrying several new products including P21S wax and Klasse. Also couldn't help notice that the picture that was attached to the P21S was actually a picture of S100. Since they priced the wax at the P21S (higher) price, I which product you would get if you ordered it.
 
Don't judge a product by its container. The contents can be very different inside. Testing by Autopians hasn't proven that they are or are not the same product. Most reviews lead me to believe that there isn't a significant enough difference to warrant purchasing the P21S if the S100 is an option. Take that for what its worth. I've been using P21S but I intend to test it side by side with S100 in the next couple weeks so I can find out for myself what is true. I'm looking forward to that test.
 
What I can tell you about the S100 is that the container has an inner and outer shell. It would be real easy to fill the inner container with the wax and then add a different outside container with a different name on in.



I truly can not see a difference between S100 and P21S. They look and perform the same IMHO. :) I believe that they are the same wax!!:xyxthumbs
 
Well, the company that makes them says that they aren't the same. They may be really close, but they must be chemicaly different or else they wouldn't say that. They'd get their butts sued from one end of the courts to the other. :nixweiss
 
I was thinking about this , I think S100 may have something in it to help it stand up to gasoline better. I came up with looking at where the most wax goes on a bike , the gas tank. I could be very wrong but thats what I think.:D
 
detailbarn said:
I was thinking about this , I think S100 may have something in it to help it stand up to gasoline better. I came up with looking at where the most wax goes on a bike , the gas tank. I could be very wrong but thats what I think.:D
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I've heard that too, and it can be nothing but a good thing! :up
 
I have been testing both products side by side, i can see no differce. One batch of S100 i have got is a lot more yellow than the other cans of P21s and S100 i have which look and smell and go on/off and shine identically. Cant think of any other ways to test them! Other than a durability test which dont bother me cos i wax every week.
 
I think its proof that on CMA's website, the S100 and P21s have the exact same sales speil !!!! :o



i hope they are the same, I can get S100 in Oz, but cant get P21S
 
Have imported P21s and s100 from the states. I have brought s100 over here from harley. Apart from the colour difference in one batch they are all identical in apperance and smell.
 
Myles said:
I think its proof that on CMA's website, the S100 and P21s have the exact same sales speil !!!! :o



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That's just evidence of CMA's lack of creativity when writing it up. They are not the same product. Why would a company make two identical waxes and sell them for such different prices and not even try to hide it under a different brand name? Ask the company who makes it and they will tell you that they aren't the same. Similarities in packaging, advertising and color don't make it the same product. Even if they look the same when you apply them. All that means is that there may not be much reason to pay the extra 10 bucks for P21S if S100 satisfies you. It definitely does not mean that they are the same product. Why would they market S100 to Harley guys? There has to be something about it that makes it less expensive to produce. I would have thought that they would market the more expensive products to Harley dealerships.



If S100 and P21S are the same exact wax then so are Zaino and Duragloss and Blackfire and Platinum. :p :lol
 
Hey Jngr!

I do not disagree with your information, but I have come across in my families business two identical products but under diffeent labels--one meant for specialty shops the other, meant for department stores. Moreover, there was a price difference, a substantial one.



Is the P21S the same as S100? Maybe, maybe not. They do appear extremely similar in both feel, smell and ease of application. The similarities that they are both from Germany, both use almost identical containers etc... is pretty darn close.



I am not aware of what the laws in Germany is over copyright goods, or if the same product can be sold under different names or not. Another Autopian ( I can not remember who???) said he was in contact with the importer and concluded that they were the same.



Perhaps, it is true that the S100 has another additive in to assist against gas spills etc... . If so, that is just a bonus!



I think that it is safe to say that we will not truly know the answer and the whole question is really academic! Personally, I love the stuff and will continue to use it. :xyxthumbs



Cheers!!:)
 
Welcome to the chemical industry.....



It happens all the time and is called private labeling. The same product is used in many products, different containers, different pricing, different target consumer.



When I worked for a company that manufactured polyurethane sealants, we had containers that were aluminum silk screened that sold to commercially to contractors for 15 bucks. The same stuff was packed in cardboard containers under a different name and sold for 5 dollars in home depot.



S100 is targeted for a different application, and is priced so it is competitive in that segment. Is it the same? No one knows for sure, but a company can claim that a product is different and often does so even though the ACTIVE ingredients are the same. What is commonly done, is trickery to make someone feel as if the product is different by changing the packaging, color, or smell, name,etc,etc. There are thousands of wax products out there.......if you think for a minute that there are just as many manufacturers out there, show them to me, I would like to see them!



DK
 
I'm sure i've read on this forum about someone who had contacted the manufacturers of p21s/s100 about this exact same question, and was told that they are indeed the same product.



I found the thread a few weeks ago, whilst searching for p21s/s100 info.



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I've just got to agree with DK. Different labeling, different packaging, different advertising approaches, different pricing, etc. are all necessary when dealing with multi-segmented consumer targets.
 
DETAILKING said:
Welcome to the chemical industry.....



It happens all the time and is called private labeling. The same product is used in many products, different containers, different pricing, different target consumer.



When I worked for a company that manufactured polyurethane sealants, we had containers that were aluminum silk screened that sold to commercially to contractors for 15 bucks. The same stuff was packed in cardboard containers under a different name and sold for 5 dollars in home depot.



S100 is targeted for a different application, and is priced so it is competitive in that segment. Is it the same? No one knows for sure, but a company can claim that a product is different and often does so even though the ACTIVE ingredients are the same. What is commonly done, is trickery to make someone feel as if the product is different by changing the packaging, color, or smell, name,etc,etc. There are thousands of wax products out there.......if you think for a minute that there are just as many manufacturers out there, show them to me, I would like to see them!



DK
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yup- happens all the time in the consumer industry too. Do people really think that WalMart, K-Mart, Kroger etc make their own sodas? Of course not, they buy their sodas from the same companies that the big brands do. It's called a Private Brand. Stores charge less for a private brand because it costs less due to lack of licensing and trademarking and thus has a higher profit margin, customers like the cheaper price. Typical example? Brake pads. The Pep Boys brand brakes you see on sale are made by the same companies whose brand name costs more. The name brands take the job because even at a lower price, they still make some money and the lower price on the generic priced brands reenforces the superior image of their brand name. Perfect example: Raybestos IS Pep Boys brakes, but the price difference is often significant.
 
i spose its like, why to all fruit loop cereals taste the same???



whys the differance between fruity loops and fruit loops. much of a muchness really.
 
Coming from the other side of this argument.... but does anyone here own a harley?



I figure p21s marketed a wax just for motorcycles because people with bikes aren't going to want to use car wax on their bike. Every harley I have ever seen is always perfectly clean, it's I guess an implied rule when you buy one. So P21s markets a "special" bike formula wax and cleaner that is no different than their car version, but it has the word "bike" on it, so the people buy it.



Everything is about marketing and the power of suggestion. P21s has the name and reputation in the auto industry and is regarded as a quality wax. s100 has no name recognition except for on here - I had never heard of it before. That could account for the price difference. It's like driving a BMW (p21s) and then driving a VW (s100). Hey, I can make that analogy, look at my sig! And hey, they both have poor reliablity. :P Anyway :D



It just seems, like with everything else, you pay for a brand name. In the end they both do the same thing, and only crazy people like us care. ;)



My $.02



- Anthony
 
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