Optimum Poliseal vs. Meguiars 66

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For all who have used both, which do you prefer in terms of looks, correction of micromarring and light swirls, ease of use, etc.? I'm not so concerned about durability since I'll be applying a wax or sealant after.



Do any of these AIO's contain fillers?



Your input is appreciated.
 
They both work well when used as directed for respective tasks, They are NOT directly compatible products. PS doesn't have fillers, I couldn't honestly say whether Meg's does or not, you could ask Mike Phillips at the Meg's forum. My experience is that PS is more like KAIO in terms of correctability and claimed durability. #66 is what I'd use if I was running a car through an auto auction and durability wasn't an issue.
 
integritydetail said:
They both work well when used as directed for respective tasks, They are NOT directly compatible products. PS doesn't have fillers, I couldn't honestly say whether Meg's does or not, you could ask Mike Phillips at the Meg's forum. My experience is that PS is more like KAIO in terms of correctability and claimed durability. #66 is what I'd use if I was running a car through an auto auction and durability wasn't an issue.
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When you say they are NOT compatible products, are you saying that I'm not comparing apples to apples? I believe both are AIO products in that they both clean, polish and protect.



I haven't used KAIO so I don't know its cleaning and corrective abilities. Again, durability is not an issue. I just need to find out that if one has used both, how do they compare as far as removing micromarring/light swirls and looks (i.e. depth, etc.).



If you had both, which would you reach for first?
 
why do you want a one-spep product if you are going to be applying a wax or sealant after?



the thing about one-steps is they don't do a great job on every step

PS is better @ protection then defect removal

66 is better @defect removal then protection

(you did not ask but HT-69 is another one-step and it cuts better then PS

and last a little longer IMO and it cost less)
 
I meant comparable not compatible, sorry. PS and KAIO do minor correcting and add some protection, PS lasts about 3-4 months on some of my customers cars. #66 is more aggresive and primarily used for quick cuttilng of oxidation, kinda like a hardcore cleaner wax. It leave a nice finish but virtually no protection like maybe 3-4 washes. A lot of high volume shops use it to save steps. Like I said above, if I had a customer that was selling a car that had medium swirls or some oxidation and didn't want to do complete correction, and protection wasn't an issue I'd use it, but not on my regular customers cars.



It would help if you'd list you car and concerns, maybe even some pics
 
Generally a AIO's don't do much correction. You are better off using a polish first. Any AIO will work as a base for a more durable sealant.
 
BigJimZ28 said:
why do you want a one-spep product if you are going to be applying a wax or sealant after?



the thing about one-steps is they don't do a great job on every step

PS is better @ protection then defect removal

66 is better @defect removal then protection

(you did not ask but HT-69 is another one-step and it cuts better then PS

and last a little longer IMO and it cost less)
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I always forget about HT-69 cause I don't have any right now, but that's a good one too!
 
wannafbody said:
Generally a AIO's don't do much correction. You are better off using a polish first. Any AIO will work as a base for a more durable sealant.
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Agreed it's kinda like a cell phone, calender is just ok, camera is just ok, etc. If you have the time, don't skip steps.
 
jesselyons2002 said:
When did #66 become a new one step ???
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far from new



but it's more of a product to get car ready to sell

then to make the car look it's best as most on here try to do



that's what it is not talked about too much
 
integritydetail said:
Agreed it's kinda like a cell phone, calender is just ok, camera is just ok, etc. If you have the time, don't skip steps.
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It really depends. If a car has only minor swirl marks or webs in the paint then poli-seal works fantastic. I love it and I like to top it with nattys blue or S100 on my car.



This pic is just after poli-seal alone. Sorry there wasnt any sun to show what it really looks like.



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wannafbody said:
Generally a AIO's don't do much correction. You are better off using a polish first. Any AIO will work as a base for a more durable sealant.
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I find that on my solid black GS300, AIO's such as XMT360 and Megs 66 have always been able to remove micromarring and very minor swirls. I just didn't find it necessary to use a more aggressive polish. I just want to read about people's opinions about PS vs 66 before I spend the money to buy PS.
 
Sounds like PS is a good fit, I alway take the least aggresive approach first. I uses a yellow cyclo pad on my 7424 speed 6 the other day with PS and it looked great. The slickness it added showed me that I should had clayed it, but the guy didn't want to do any more than a one step. If this is your own vehicle, consider a proper correction and then maintain with PS every quarter and maybe a spray wax to add depth in between. I only use an AIO when $$$ is an issue for my customers, not as a shortcut but as the best for the money. I'm getting ready to order a gallon of PS next week, If you're not in a hurry I can mail you a sample cheap, or you can ger samples straight from OPT. I didn't want to invest $100+ just to try a product line, so I called them and arranged to buy 4oz. samples of everything. Do you have pics of what you're trying to fix?
 
TH0001 said:
David from OPT told me that PS fills. Prep-Sol wipe downs confirm this (not that it is a bad thing)
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You are right, it does fill. Quite a bit. I tested a swirled up Lexus last summer with a PC, speed 5 and a non aggressive white LC pad, and after just one pass, it looked like I had corrected 80% of the swirls. It definitely fills.
 
When you think about it, most (I am not saying all, because I haven't used them all) all in ones will fill. The reason I say this is because AIO's are designed to protect. Protectants have to leave part of themselves behind, in order to protect. If there are valleys (scratches) that the polishing component of the AIO cannot correct, it makes sense they would get filled in. Just my opinion
 
OK, I like this thread cause I've used Poliseal as a cleaner wax on customers that didn't want to spend much money. I'm enjoying Megs products again and have a interest in trying more - ok, all you 66 users- time to chime in with comments.



Thanks
 
Both products fill. This isn't a bad thing, because if you use them on perfect paint, then there is nothing to fill. However if the goal is to make the paint look perfect (but not do excessive correction) then either product is ideal.



There is NOTHING wrong with filling defects. It saves paint, and also allows a more cost convient opition of the client. The problem is when hacks use products like AutoMagic on wool pads and tell thier client that it is done right. The dishonestly (or the fact that most don't know better) is what makes it wrong.



It might be in the best interest of the client to fill defects for a number of reasons. Brian and I use products with fillers in them between major polishing jobs to restore that just corrected finish all the time. It is only when we do paint correction that we avoid fillers to ensure the job is done right.
 
This is taken from Autogeek's description of Poli-seal. From what I read, it gives me the impression that PS doesn't hide (fill) minor imperfections but actually removes them.



The micro abrasives in the Optimum Poli-SealTM will ensure light paint correction and not just the hiding of imperfections. Poli-Seal can be used as a light swirl mark remover, a final polish, and a true wax and sealant……All in one step!



This revolutionary product will eliminate (not hide) minor paint imperfections and blemishes while creating a perfect shine on all types of paint.



Now this is taken from AG's description of Megs 66. Note the word "removes".



Meguiars #66 Quick Detailer removes water spots, stains, light oxidation, and micro-marring from clear coat and single stage paint finishes. With a combination of chemical cleaners and the mechanical motion of a buffer, #66 restores gloss and removes blemishes effectively and efficiently. That’s why professional detailers use it on vehicle after vehicle.



This could also mean that both products actually removes micromarring but fills in blemishes that the microabrasives couldn't remove. The ads just give the consumer the impression that both don't contain fillers. Maybe they don't.
 
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