Oh No!! Just got done detailing, and then I see this *pic*

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z400

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I just got done detailing my car last weekend for the 2nd time in a year. It got the following:



- SSR1 with green propel pad on PC

- AIO on the trunk and left rear driver fender (the pic). I stopped using it because it was being REALLY stuborn this time around and didn't want to have to do this on the whole car.

- RMG via green propel pad on entire car

- Nattys Blue with black propel pad



So this was last week. It looked great, no complaints, etc etc. So today I wash it and I get to the back fender... :soscared: :cry: *** is this?!?! TONS AND TONS AND TONS of swirl marks!!!



No other part of the car has anything like this and is all 95% swirl free (Its black and a daily driver..cant always get perfection). The trunk looks amazing, but this fender has tons of swirls.



Any ideas what caused it? I'm thinking the AIO because it was sooo fricken hard to take off and I had to use S&G to take it off a few times.



Anyways, im sad...



Pic: Sorry its bad. I didn't want to have to take out my big ol' camera so I used my camera phone. Its a lot worse than the picture shows

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If I were you I'd hit ther car up with SSR2.5 with the green pad then use the same one for SSR1, that way you'll remove most of the other 5%.
 
thats a camera phone? damn better then some peoples cameras. i tend to get that light marring crap too... probably from taking the aio off im guessing
 
Car has never been repainted, got it new. I'm guessing the marring is from taking AIO off, and the buffer marks from the PC?!?



Strange..
 
K here's more pictures..GRR! Its all over the car!! Could it be from my new mit? I got a megs syntetic wash mit (been using a lamb before). Or could it be that I didn't get everything out? Errm... But could a wash mit that was used in the two bucket method with SS&S make this many swirls?



Either way, I'm getting new mits and new pads.



Hood

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Fender - Rear

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Side Door

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z400 said:
- SSR1 with green propel pad on PC

- AIO on the trunk and left rear driver fender (the pic). I stopped using it because it was being REALLY stuborn this time around and didn't want to have to do this on the whole car.

- RMG via green propel pad on entire car

- Nattys Blue with black propel pad
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Empirical evidence has shown that ALL four products you used do, in fact, have fillers in them. Yes, even AIO.



I would suggest switching to a product like Menzerna Final Polish II, which is designed for BMW (and all german) paint. Following the application via PC and polishing pad @ 5-6, use a 50/50 IPA (70%) mix to remove any lubricating oils to uncover your (flawless) finish.
 
The synthetic mitt would be *my* guess. You wouldn't be the first person to learn just how much a single wash with a seemingly soft (synthetic) mitt can mar up a car.



AIO usually oughta be buffed off before it dries all the way, it'll come off easily that way. Just don't use too much product. A lot of people use a wipe-on-wipe-off approach where it doesn't even come close to drying.



Oh, and if I had a black car I'd sure do some searches on "foamgun" ;)
 
I think you just didn't polish it deeply enough and the fillers in the 3 products you prepped the paint with filled in the defects you had. I'd kick it up to SSR2/2.5 or Optimum Polish and then either SSR1 or AIO. Hint-if AIO is hard to remove, you are using too much. If you continue to work it after covering a panel, it will practically disappear.
 
I've got a foamgun (the one that everyone else has) and I just don't like it. I tried it once and it wasn't enough suds. I'll have to try it again I guess.



K, so basically, what would you guys recomend I do from start to finish? Guess I'll be needing some new products which don't have fillers in them, correct ?
 
z400 said:
I've got a foamgun (the one that everyone else has) and I just don't like it. I tried it once and it wasn't enough suds. I'll have to try it again I guess.



K, so basically, what would you guys recomend I do from start to finish? Guess I'll be needing some new products which don't have fillers in them, correct ?
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Try using more soap in the gun and lowering the dilution ratio.



Try Optmium Polish/Hyper Compound/Compound or Menzerna IP/FPII
 
z400 said:
I've got a foamgun (the one that everyone else has) and I just don't like it. I tried it once and it wasn't enough suds. I'll have to try it again I guess...
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I too tried mine a few times, thought "what's the point?" and quit using it, thinking it was an answer in search of a question. It's not something that you'll get a handle on the first time you try it.



If you're bothered by wash-induced marring (and that's sure what it looks like to me) then you gotta figure out a way to get the vehicle clean without marring the paint. More difficult than most people would think ;) and if I could do it without the foamgun I would.



First step is to make sure your wash/dry/polish media is soft enough that it won't mar the paint in and of itself.



Foamgun soap dilution: in a gallon bucket I pump in maybe five ounces of shampoo. Fill the rest of the way with water. Fill foamgun from that and usually use weakest setting. It's not supposed to be a touchless approach, it's merely providing additional lubrication and thorough flushing of the contact point where the wash media touches the paint. Note that I use the foamgun *in addition to* the usual two-bucket method.



I wouldn't be in a hurry to eliminate (as in, no fillers) the marring until you'll be able to *keep* it marring free. Nothing wrong with some fillers IMO, the whole point is to make the car look good. Wonder how it'd look today if you'd used a more durable wax over the RMG? Not saying that the Natty's isn't durable, but I would've expected more than one wash before all the existing/hidden marring was exposed.



You might try the Optimum/Menzerna route on one panel and keep an eye on it, see if it gets marred up again right away. But doing the whole car will be a big job and it'd be a real drag if you got it all polished up perfectly and then just marred it again the next time you washed it.
 
Accumulator said:
I too tried mine a few times, thought "what's the point?" and quit using it, thinking it was an answer in search of a question. It's not something that you'll get a handle on the first time you try it.



If you're bothered by wash-induced marring (and that's sure what it looks like to me) then you gotta figure out a way to get the vehicle clean without marring the paint. More difficult than most people would think ;) and if I could do it without the foamgun I would.



First step is to make sure your wash/dry/polish media is soft enough that it won't mar the paint in and of itself.



Foamgun soap dilution: in a gallon bucket I pump in maybe five ounces of shampoo. Fill the rest of the way with water. Fill foamgun from that and usually use weakest setting. It's not supposed to be a touchless approach, it's merely providing additional lubrication and thorough flushing of the contact point where the wash media touches the paint. Note that I use the foamgun *in addition to* the usual two-bucket method.



I wouldn't be in a hurry to eliminate (as in, no fillers) the marring until you'll be able to *keep* it marring free. Nothing wrong with some fillers IMO, the whole point is to make the car look good. Wonder how it'd look today if you'd used a more durable wax over the RMG? Not saying that the Natty's isn't durable, but I would've expected more than one wash before all the existing/hidden marring was exposed.



You might try the Optimum/Menzerna route on one panel and keep an eye on it, see if it gets marred up again right away. But doing the whole car will be a big job and it'd be a real drag if you got it all polished up perfectly and then just marred it again the next time you washed it.
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Thanks for the information! I will have to try it again and then see what happens. I'll be ordering a new mit (lamb) since all signs are pointing to it being from the megs ultra plush mit.
 
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