NXT Tech wax going to hurt detailers?

Deep_Freeze

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I was just thinking, most of the good products have always been a little hard to find or available online. I mean, who looks for s100 at Harley Davidson if you are not a hard core detailer?? With NXT rolling out, with all of the hype saying that it will be a synthetic better than the very good #20. I have to wonder, with that good of polymer available to anyone who walks into Walmart, will it hurt detailers who use "special" stuff they find with substantial effort?



As a person that just does my car and some friends every so often, I love to be able to bring out that secret stuff. Hate to pull out something they can get from Walmart, lol.
 
No.



First of all, no one knows if its going to be any good or not. For every good Megs product I can name one that sucks. Lets wait and see before declaring it to be the wax/sealant that ends all wax/sealants. Lets not forget that the source for 99.5% of our NXT information is from a Megs employee, not exactly an un-biased opinion. Not that I can blame him, if I worked for Megs I'd be pushing it like crack too.



Secondly, as has already been discussed, the "topper" isn't what makes a finish look great. If I put NXT on a petrified turd I still have a petrified turd. Prep is where the shine comes out, and prep is where professional excels and the average joe fails. If you want it to be a secret just re-bottle it.
 
BlackRegal said:
No.



First of all, no one knows if its going to be any good or not. For every good Megs product I can name one that sucks. Lets wait and see before declaring it to be the wax/sealant that ends all wax/sealants. Lets not forget that the source for 99.5% of our NXT information is from a Megs employee, not exactly an un-biased opinion. Not that I can blame him, if I worked for Megs I'd be pushing it like crack too.



Secondly, as has already been discussed, the "topper" isn't what makes a finish look great. If I put NXT on a petrified turd I still have a petrified turd. Prep is where the shine comes out, and prep is where professional excels and the average joe fails. If you want it to be a secret just re-bottle it.



This wins the Post Of The Week award. Well done.:bow :bow :bow





Your Grand Prize is on its way - a bottle of NuFinish!!!!:scared
 
BlackRegal said:
No.



First of all, no one knows if its going to be any good or not. For every good Megs product I can name one that sucks. Lets wait and see before declaring it to be the wax/sealant that ends all wax/sealants. Lets not forget that the source for 99.5% of our NXT information is from a Megs employee, not exactly an un-biased opinion. Not that I can blame him, if I worked for Megs I'd be pushing it like crack too.



Secondly, as has already been discussed, the "topper" isn't what makes a finish look great. If I put NXT on a petrified turd I still have a petrified turd. Prep is where the shine comes out, and prep is where professional excels and the average joe fails. If you want it to be a secret just re-bottle it.



Excellent post!! :bow
 
Personaly, topping #20 isnt that great of a feet........I have 1 Meguiars product in my arsenal......
 
Does it have a V8? lol



I agree, no product will ever take the place of the time and skill pro detailers put into their work. Its the result that gets the business.



Plus, people would still have to apply it themselves and you know how lazy most people are lol
 
GoodnClean said:
Does it have a V8? lol



I agree, no product will ever take the place of the time and skill pro detailers put into their work. Its the result that gets the business.



Plus, people would still have to apply it themselves and you know how lazy most people are lol



werd. ;)



Never underestimate the lazyness of the general public.



Besides, it hasn't officially rolled out yet and and there is going to be a professional version (from what I understand there will be some differences), so there isn't enough information or testing on either version. Meguiars makes some truly excellent products and a few are barely adequate (their consumer clay comes to mind). How NXT will stack up against the rest of the Meguiars line remains to be seen.
 
Typical Joe C at WalMart (I've witnessed this)



"Hmmmmm. Meguiar's Cleaner Wax, $4.59. Or, Turtle Wax Car Wash, with wax in the wash, $2.99. Who do those Meguiar's people think they are, ripping us off like that?"





Pros have nothing to fear, believe me. At $14/16 oz (I think that's the projected price), the thinking, conscientious Joe C will get Nu Finish for $10 and be happy he's saving the $4, maybe to get a pack of shop towels to remove the NuFinish.





Tom
 
Yes, i agree that this product isn't going to hurt pro detailers. But i dont agree with all of the joe Schmo / general public stuff. Sure any average joe thinks megs is rippin them off like mosca said, but you also have to think that the person paying the $$ to have his/her vehicle detailed generally isn't the average joe. Sure plenty of them are, but alot of them know atleast something about what is on the market and which product is good vs bad.



Hmm.. now after typing this, and thinking about my customers, i am starting to disagree with myself oh well maybe someone will agree with what i am now thinking about disagreeing with :shrug:



All i know is that i dont think that one single product can do much if any damage to the pro detailer market
 
BlackRegal said:
First of all, no one knows if its going to be any good or not. For every good Megs product, I can name one that sucks. Lets wait and see before declaring it to be the wax/sealant that ends all wax/sealants. Lets not forget that the source for 99.5% of our NXT information is from a Megs employee, not exactly an un-biased opinion. Not that I can blame him, if I worked for Megs I'd be pushing it like crack too.



Firstly, I for one appreciate the freshness of a comment like the one above. I’ve been around long enough that nothing posted to a forum ever really bothers me. I’m in this for the long haul. I will be a part of the detailing community until I’m no longer walking on this earth.



“It’s my thing�.



If I quit Meguiar’s tomorrow, or if Meguiar’s fires me tomorrow, I would still post to forums like Autopia on how to get the best results for your,



* Time

* Money

* Efforts



I enjoy it.



So while it’s easy for someone to read my posts and view me as a corporate hack, (Not you BlackRegal, I know you’re a square shooter), it’s really not like that. I’m a car guy through and through, I only have owned what I think of as, (at some level), nothing but special interest cars, (Can you say Milk Truck), and while I have always performed all of my own mechanical work, the part I truly enjoy is the paint polishing part. You know, after all the hard icky, dirty, grungy work is done, then it’s time to sit back and make it shine!



Side note: When I bought the Milk Truck, the owner advertised it as Ready to Go… he left out a few words, the Milk Truck was ready to go alright… to hell in a hand basket.



After purchasing it, I had to rebuild everything mechanical except the engine. But… after accomplishing that, all I ever did then was polish the paint.



But I digress.



Point being, my sharing information about NXT via the discussion forum was simply my passion for polishing paint expressing itself naturally and that’s by sharing it with other people of a like-mindset.



Before I came to Meguiar’s, no one at Meguiar’s’ ever really hung out on forums, at least to the degree I like to, and talked shop. Anyway, NXT isn’t Crack, but after using it once, until something better comes out, I will continue to use this as my LSP.



Secondly, as has already been discussed, the "topper" isn't what makes a finish look great. If I put NXT on a petrified turd I still have a petrified turd. Prep is where the shine comes out, and prep is where professional excels and the average joe fails. If you want it to be a secret just re-bottle it.



BlackRegal nailed this one.



Surface prep is and will always be the determining factor for your final results. To prove this point, please see the accompanying photo’s that I will include in this thread of a car I applied NXT Tech Wax to this last Tuesday.



NXT Tech Wax is merely, in my opinion, what we here on Autopia refer to as a topper, and an excellent one at that. I often use the descriptive term, last step product, as in the very last product I apply before lay my polishing cloths down and turn the ownership of the car back over to the owner. Another way I like to refer to products like NXT Tech Wax, or Pinnacle, or #26 is as a beauty wax. That is if your goal is to create beauty, these products accomplish that.



Now if your in the extreme protection camp, then what I find is often times you have to give up some the characteristics in a wax that create beauty, in order to obtain more of the ingredients that provide protection. Basically, there two camps in the detailing world,



Synthetic Camp

Carnauba Camp



The Synthetic camp are people looking for two things in this order,



1) Long lasting protection

2) Beauty



The Carnauba camp consists of people looking for two things in this order,



1) Beauty

2) Long lasting protection



At the same time, people in both camps crossover. For example, while usually a person in the beauty camp is predominantly focused on a good looking finish, this person may switch over to the Synthetic Camp as winter approaches and the ensuing harsh weather. Thus, this person may switch their LSP to a synthetic wax like #20 Polymer Sealant for it’s high water and detergent resistant characterizes. Then, after the worst of the inclement weather has passed, this person will switch back over to products that potentially protect less, but create more beauty.



From my experience, NXT Tech Wax would appear to offer the features of both camps.



It turns the surface dark like Gold Class does, (I know many of you don't like Gold Class for a host of reasons but one thing Gold Class will do is turn dark paints darker, especially compared to most other waxes).



It fills really well.



Note: Meguiar's has always preached and educated on how to remove defects, not merely fill them in. That said, with the introduction of clear coat finishes, even the finest and lightest of scratches show up in bright lights or direct sunlight. So having a product that you can count on to help you with these fine scratches, or cobweb-effect after you have done your very best to bring the finish to its maximum potential using your choice of surface prep products and techniques is a bonus in my book.



Because I personally know the head chemists here at Meguiar’s' and his personal passion to create products that first of all,



* Create a barrier-film that protects the finish



And then, after this goal is accomplished, work on making the formula,



* Create beauty

* Apply easily

* Wipe off easily

* Last a long time



etc. etc. etc.



(I for one suggested the idea of going for beauty first, and protection second, but that didn’t fly very well).



I for one admire his choice in priorities. I mean, if you think about it… the most important thing for the majority of the population is to protect their financial investment. Making it look good is fun and important too, but if your car’s finish doesn’t last… the beauty is irrelevant… don’t you think?



(Of course today’s modern clear coat paint technologies have the ability to last for a long time even if they don’t look good).



To sum up this response, NXT Tech Wax will certainly not hurt detailers, if anything, it will help them.



My plan of action is to recommend to all of my customers to apply NXT Tech Wax themselves to maintain the results I have created, and if they don’t want to do that, then bring it back to me and I will maintain their finish by applying it myself.



Below is a completely untouched, in any way, photo of the deck, or trunk lid of Sniper after the owner pulled it out into the sun for me to inspect. I have seen this car previously two other times, both of which the car was in either low indoor lights, or low light levels due to morning cloud cover.



For this reason, it always looked good. By that I mean the finish was clear and shiny in my eyes when I viewed it. Now mind you, the below photo is of the deck lid with 2 years of Meguiar’s Quik Detailer being used on it. The swirls you see were induced using a rotary buffer. I’m sure that a good car washing would cause these swirls to jump out at your eyes in bright light. Point being, the swirls are worse than they appear.
 

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Because I didn't schedule enough time to do what I call a complete to this car's finish, I explained to the owner that in order to do the job right, I would have to come back and go over the entire finish using a rotary buffer.



Until then, I told him I would first go over the finish using a PC, with a W-8006 Polishing pad and #83 DACP.



The above combination isn't aggressive enough to remove the depth of the swirls this finish has, but it helped out immensely.



Below is a picture of the exact same spot after going over the finish with the above combo and then applying one coat of NXT Tech Wax using the PC with a W-9006 finishing pad.



While not perfect, better than when we started,
 

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All photos were taken with my trusty Sony FD97 2.1 megapixel camera and have not been touch-up in any manner.



The deck lid shots are full size, I merely used Lview Pro to crop out a 500 x 500 pixel section. Thus it's raw footage.



The beauty shot was resized after croping using this handy little free software program that can be found

here
 
Point 1 - I can't see Mr Phillips being unemployed for very long if Megs got rid of him!



Point 2 - Auto Express here in the UK run a product test weekly in all sorts of car related products (from battery chargers to road maps etc). They ran a test recently on waxes including Megs GC and price was considered to be a major factor. Certainly here in the UK, the vast majority of non Autopians spend as little as possible on car care - maybe why we all get odd looks if we wash the car more than once a month!



The UK's principal car care store - Halfords - stocks Auto Glym and a few sundry products which Autopians consider to be adequate (any UK Autopians chime in here if I'm wrong) but the majority are the "does it all for "£2.99" style products - i.e. maximum result from minimal effort, which as I discovered some time ago now simply does not get you proper results at all.



Unless Megs sell NXT as a cure all product for Turtle Wax money I really don't think Autopians will see all their friends suddenly become detailers overnight!
 
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