NXT Removing Glaze...Mike Help
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togwt
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The answer is a YES, as it contains a cleaner.
Suggestion: PM Mike you'll get a response
The answer is a YES, as it contains a cleaner.
Suggestion: PM Mike you'll get a response
Mike_Phillips
Administrator
Hi Murph1083,
I'm writing something for this but it's not finished yet. Here's the short version. So let me piggy back on what TOGWT wrote.
When were talking about applying a polish for example say any of the polishes listed in this thread,
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=314319#post314319
Then were talking about oils that you are pushing below the upper surface, and into the pores, fissures, endices, and microscopic surface imperfections. These show up as tiny little open spaces under a microscope, like the air space, or pockets in a sponge
So maybe the question can better be phrased by saying,
Does NXT Tech Wax leach out the oils deposited through application of a polish or glaze?
(Does that works?)
The question then can be taken further to distinguish between different types of waxes because some waxes which are pure in nature, i.e. no abrasives, no cleaners and no or little solvent content, will not leach out oils, while some paint protection products because of their solvent content, could quite possibly have a leaching-effect. (There are no Meguiar’s waxes that will leach out previously applied polish or glaze)
Does any of that make sense?
To the specific question, will NXT Tech Wax leach out any previously applied polish or glaze from the pores, fissures, endices, and microscopic surface imperfections?
No.
Will NXT remove any polish or glaze sitting on top of the surface?
Probably yes. To what degree? Who knows… But, so will anything else that you physically rub against the surface. That’s because whatever smooth, creamy liquid type product you choose to rub over the surface, combined with your application material has a abrading-effect, at least in the manner of moving any oils that are sitting on the surface. (Not like in scratching the surface)
Heck, wiping the surface with a microfiber not only removes polish and glaze, it also removes your wax. This is why in the Tech Bulletins for Meguiar’s mold release waxes, we specifically state that microfiber polishing cloths should not be used to remove these coatings, because they work too well. This could potentially lead to sticking a mold.
Here’s one benefit however, the presence of these oils should help to increase lubricity, therefore cushioning and helping to prevent any micro-marring. That’s a benefit to you. Plus they make paint look good, that is if you think an optically clear, deep dark, reflective, high gloss finish looks good.
This kind of leads into washing with high alkaline detergent soaps, like Dawn. Dawn will emulsify, breakdown and leach out oils naturally found in your paint, and also any oils you have applied in the way of a polish or glaze. High alkaline detergent soaps dry out and dull your paint, not to mention other components found on the outside of the car.
Hope this helps…
Mike
I'm writing something for this but it's not finished yet. Here's the short version. So let me piggy back on what TOGWT wrote.
When were talking about applying a polish for example say any of the polishes listed in this thread,
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=314319#post314319
Then were talking about oils that you are pushing below the upper surface, and into the pores, fissures, endices, and microscopic surface imperfections. These show up as tiny little open spaces under a microscope, like the air space, or pockets in a sponge
So maybe the question can better be phrased by saying,
Does NXT Tech Wax leach out the oils deposited through application of a polish or glaze?
(Does that works?)
The question then can be taken further to distinguish between different types of waxes because some waxes which are pure in nature, i.e. no abrasives, no cleaners and no or little solvent content, will not leach out oils, while some paint protection products because of their solvent content, could quite possibly have a leaching-effect. (There are no Meguiar’s waxes that will leach out previously applied polish or glaze)
Does any of that make sense?
To the specific question, will NXT Tech Wax leach out any previously applied polish or glaze from the pores, fissures, endices, and microscopic surface imperfections?
No.
Will NXT remove any polish or glaze sitting on top of the surface?
Probably yes. To what degree? Who knows… But, so will anything else that you physically rub against the surface. That’s because whatever smooth, creamy liquid type product you choose to rub over the surface, combined with your application material has a abrading-effect, at least in the manner of moving any oils that are sitting on the surface. (Not like in scratching the surface)
Heck, wiping the surface with a microfiber not only removes polish and glaze, it also removes your wax. This is why in the Tech Bulletins for Meguiar’s mold release waxes, we specifically state that microfiber polishing cloths should not be used to remove these coatings, because they work too well. This could potentially lead to sticking a mold.
Here’s one benefit however, the presence of these oils should help to increase lubricity, therefore cushioning and helping to prevent any micro-marring. That’s a benefit to you. Plus they make paint look good, that is if you think an optically clear, deep dark, reflective, high gloss finish looks good.
This kind of leads into washing with high alkaline detergent soaps, like Dawn. Dawn will emulsify, breakdown and leach out oils naturally found in your paint, and also any oils you have applied in the way of a polish or glaze. High alkaline detergent soaps dry out and dull your paint, not to mention other components found on the outside of the car.
Hope this helps…
Mike
My experiance is no. My car has alot of winter induced scratches that definatly needs to be polished out. I gave the car a thorough wash, a nice coat of Meguairs #81 hand polish. After #81, there was some linear scratches that were visible. I applied NXT and the finish looks great. The glaze didn't seem to be removed as the majority of the scrathches weren't as noticably visible.
Fast forward to this week....it's a bit dirty so I can't really tell. However, I do see some of the some of the scratches on the hood that I did no see last week. I'm planning to wash the car this weekend to see how it holds up .
Fast forward to this week....it's a bit dirty so I can't really tell. However, I do see some of the some of the scratches on the hood that I did no see last week. I'm planning to wash the car this weekend to see how it holds up .
GoodnClean
New member
I also might reccomend that you either apply by hand, or very slowly by PC so as not to let the PC do any polishing work.
Mike_Phillips
Administrator
Murph1083 said:
Me thinks your getting just a little bit to deep here... but let me see if I can help?
If you apply a coating of M-07 Show Car Glaze and then wipe off the excess, you have undoubtedly pushed oils into the paint, as well as left a film of the M-07 Show Car Glaze on top of the paint.
If you wipe this down with gasoline, alcohol, mineral spirits, Stoddard solvent, glass cleaner, or wash with a mixture of dawn dishwashing soap and water, chances are very good you will remove a lot of it from the surface, and probably leach some of it out of the inside of the paint, (at a microscopic level). But why would anyone contemplate doing such a thing?
Now if you apply a protective wax made by the same company that made the M-07 Show Car Glaze, will it remove any, maybe? Not because it’s designed to remove any, but because your rubbing it, i.e. you’re disrupting it, your touching it, you’re doing more to it than if you just stood back and looked at it. Maybe it will just mix with it? Maybe applying a wax will push the #7 oils deeper into the pores and microscopic surface imperfections. Maybe you’ll be sandwiching the #7 Show Car Glaze between somewhere in the paint and on the paint and the outer layer of wax?
Look at the big picture, apply the #7 Show Car Glaze, then apply your wax, then stand back and admire your hard work. Most people decide on a plan of attack and then instead of analyzing it to death, they, like Nike says, Just do it
I believe your car’s paint will look better and last longer if you apply the #7 Show Car Glaze, (or any Meguiar’s pure polish), and then apply a coat of wax.
I don’t believe your car’s paint will look better and last longer if you wash your car with Dawn, or wipe it down with a 50/50 mixture of alcohol and water in an effort to help a polymer bond, or stick to the surface.
Any short term improved bonding results you may achieve, will not be as important as applying an oil that benefits the paint and sealing it in with a protective layer of wax.
It does matter what you do when it comes to beauty characteristics and paint longevity.
Like Nike says, Just do it!
Mike
p.s.
If you don’t already own some #7 Show Car Glaze, and you want to purchase a Meguiar’s polish, I would opt for the quart of #81 Hand Polish.
imported_rusty bumper
New member
I believe that when you apply polishing oils to paint, the paint itself will absorb some of the oils...Just like the way skin absorbs lotion rubbed on your hands...I don't believe that NXT will remove the part that is absorbed by the paint...Neither do I believe most any wax or protectant will remove that (Polishing oils) that is already worked itself into the paint...Maybe a cleaner wax will remove some if it, but not all of it IMO.
When waxing, I never worry about oils being removed from the paint myself.
When waxing, I never worry about oils being removed from the paint myself.
GoodnClean
New member
I did a trial of NXT over GEPC on the hood of my car and wasn't impressed, I dont know that I would do that step in the future.
The GEPC certainly didn't add to the look, BUT the GEPC on its own on the surface didn't wow me when compared to the rest of the car like it usually does, in this case the rest of the car had two coats of NXT. So the reason I wasn't impressed was that the rest of the car looked just as good without the GEPC.
My guess is the #7 isn't going to add anything to the look.
The GEPC certainly didn't add to the look, BUT the GEPC on its own on the surface didn't wow me when compared to the rest of the car like it usually does, in this case the rest of the car had two coats of NXT. So the reason I wasn't impressed was that the rest of the car looked just as good without the GEPC.
My guess is the #7 isn't going to add anything to the look.