NXT Question

BRUN

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does this contain any cleaners ?.........and if so, are they strong enough to affect a sealant or glaze when applied by hand ?



ive been told that its definitely not abrasive, but i want to know if i can apply it over Poorboys EX-P without it taking it off



ive had very good experiences with NXT and ideally id like to use it as my final stage wax, but obviously i cant if its goin to remove my sealant.......



it will also mean i wont have to use a swirl remover prior to the sealant, as in my experience its very good at hiding swirls aswell
 
Awhile back, Mike from Meguiar's posted that NXT does contain a mild abrasive as well as chemical cleaners. While they don't sell it as a "cleaner-wax"...the consensus seems to be that it is a cleaner-wax, so it will remove, or partially remove whatever is underneath.
 
The following question and answer was recently posed on the Meguiar's site.



Q. Can NXT Tech Wax be considered as a cleaner/Wax?



A. No, the cleaners in NXT Tech Wax are very slight. It is in no way as aggressive as any of the Meguiar’s Cleaner Waxes.



NXT Tech Wax is meant for finishes in new, good or excellent condition. It is not formulated to address a wide spectrum of paint defects such as oxidation, whereas a cleaner wax is.



The Tech Wax has cleaners to help eliminate fine scratches and aid in the adhesion of the protectant and produce an optically clear finish
 
jfelbab said:
The Tech Wax has cleaners to help eliminate fine scratches and aid in the adhesion of the protectant and produce an optically clear finish



How do said cleaners that "eliminate" fine scratches ( thus meaning they are abrasive in nature no matter how slight )distinguish between a fine scratch or a layer of EX-P? Short answer is that it cannot so there will be either partial or total removal of the the layer of product underneath. ;)
 
would it not, not remove the scratches, but fill them, like a polish ?



my guess is that it has the same kind of cleaners in it as EX-P, not there to actually clean, but needed so it bonds to the paintwork



oh and i was told a definite no, its not 'abrasive', by someone at Meguiars UK
 
BRUN said:
would it not, not remove the scratches, but fill them, like a polish ?



my guess is that it has the same kind of cleaners in it as EX-P, not there to actually clean, but needed so it bonds to the paintwork



oh and i was told a definite no, its not 'abrasive', by someone at Meguiars UK



If you have the answer, why ask the question and dismiss the answer you get cos they dont sit in line with what you want to hear? :nixweiss



"Eliminating" a swirl is not filling - and eliminating was the wording used by Meguiars, not me. To eliminate is to rid of, thus there MUST be some mechanical abrasion due to an abrasive medium. Meguiars ( Mike Phillips ) have conceeded that the NXT does in fact contain a "specialised abrasive". Do a search and find out for yourself. Heres one to get you started...



NXT



Good luck with it :xyxthumbs :wavey
 
i dont have the answer, i was guessing at the reason for the cleaners, as i said



and ive only got one answer from Meguiars UK, everyone on here seems to definitely know what there talking about, so i thought i would ask on here aswell to make sure it was the same answer i got from Meguiars UK, obviously its not, so someone is wrong, just dont know who !
 
Hi all,



I have received a number of PM’s on this thread and a couple of e-mails too, so I thought I would chime in and try to help clear up any confusion. I am not a chemist, and Meguiar’s is not going to tell me, or anyone exactly how their chemistry works. That said, I have been told that NXT Tech Wax has a specialized abrasive/cleaner that enables it to eliminate fine scratches. The way it does this is the same way #9 Swirl Remover 2.0 eliminates swirls, and that is it partially removes them and it partially fills them in.



NXT Tech wax is non-abrasive. This means it will not scratch your finish. Some people like to position the cleaning ability of the Tech Wax as though it were a rubbing compound. This is ridiculous. Others like to position Tech Wax as a cleaner/wax in the same category as a true cleaner wax, for example, Meguiar's #6 Cleaner/Wax or the new ColorX. This is also ridiculous. The cleaning ability of Tech Wax is very limited and narrow in scope. It is not formulated to remove a wide spectrum of surface defects like a true cleaner/wax, such as oxidation and dirt in paint.



I know how the argument goes, if it can eliminate, i.e. remove or at least partially remove, a fine swirl or scratch, then can it not, and will it not, remove itself or something laid down before it?



The answer to that is yes, at least to some degree, but probably not completely. Part of what Tech Wax can do will be determined by application material and process. (See my Klasse SG example at the end of this post). Some people act and write as though Tech Wax cleans and abrades the surface like a traditional rubbing compound, and that it’s as aggressive at the beginning of application as it is at the end of application. This is not only untrue, but again, ridiculous.



Meguiar's pioneered diminishing abrasive at their very inception, in 1901 when they started making furniture cleaners and polishes, Barry told me this himself. I can think of only two products Meguiar’s has ever manufactured that the abrasives did not breakdown, and this was by design, for a specific purpose. Both of these products were and are for use on polyester and epoxy surfaces, not automotive paints. One of these, a true rubbing compound, (M-43) was discontinued decades ago, and the other one is brand new and is part of the new Velocity Mold Release line, (M-80 Speed Cut) intended for removing coarse sanding marks, #800 grit, (and possibly lower), from epoxy molds.



Yes, Meguiar's NXT Tech Wax does have some cleaning ability, it is very sleight, (as the chemist put it), and very limited in what it can do. As most people already know, surface prep is more important than your choice and application of a last step product. I coined the term last step product, or LSP, because I often write about it and I like using acronyms when possible. As I define LSP, it is the last step product that after you make your final wipe, you stand back and admire the results. You do not continue to apply more and different products, it was the last product to be applied.



Others have tried to define the word to mean a product that can be layered, and if they want to define LSP that way, as Al Gore said, �There is no legal controlling authority to stop them. But that is not how I original used the term, nor is it how I use the term today. Hopefully in the future I’m going to have the chance to work on two very cool cars, one is an original Batmobile, (black paint), the other is a car built and designed by Boyd Coddington called Chezoom, for both of these cars I after my surface prep, I will apply two coats of the NXT Tech Wax as my LSP.



NXT Tech Wax is not going to remove 100% of what you lay down before it. It’s just not that aggressive or thorough in it’s cleaning ability. I’m pretty sure I have applied the Tech Wax to more cars than anyone else to date. Another way of saying this is, I have applied the Tech Wax to more paint types than anyone else. My first hand experience and my own two eyes tell me that the end-results always look better if you both clean and polish the paint before application versus just clean. This implies that applying a polish between the cleaning step and before the application of the Tech Wax has a positive visual effect. If the NXT removed all of the polish then there would be no positive effect. I have also read the testimony and seen the pictures of hundreds of people that have both polished and applied the NXT Tech Wax for spectacular results. The point being is this, I think sometimes we, the serious detailing community, gets a little too deep and extreme in our thinking about what’s actually taking place on the surface of paint as we work on it. We can’t always know what’s taking place at the molecular level. What is most important, is the results we achieve after final wipe off.



Two applications of Tech Wax, properly applied will always leave behind more wax on the surface than one coat. This is what the head chemist told me. Of course, this assumes you’re not applying the Tech Wax with steel wool.



Remember, applications material and method affects the properties of any product you apply whether that is Klasse SG, or Turtle Wax. If you apply Klasse SG with a wool cutting pad on a rotary buffer at 1800 rpms and 8-12 lbs. of downward force, you’ll probably be able to pull #1500 grit sanding marks out of fresh paint. Is the Klasse SG abrading the finish? Or is it merely acting as a lubricant while the wool fibers abrade the finish? (It’s the latter of the two). Hopefully this little analogy demonstrates the importance of application material and process.



I don’t know if anything I wrote helped at all, I hope it did. In the end, it’s always going to come down to you, and you’re eyes, and what you see after you make your final wipe. Sometimes, after discussing the virtues of product and process, it’s time to back away from the keyboard, go out into the garage and as “Nike� says, �Just do it�



As I type this, it’s 9:00 am Sunday morning, July 4th 2004.



Happy 4th of July everyone!



Wax on!



Mike
 
thanks a lot mike, a definitive answer to my original question with no dancing around issues or bull crap



so as long as your not hard with it..........NXT will go over my EX-P without removing it all, in which case, i might not need to use EX-P to protect my #7, simply prep, #7 glaze, and NXT.........
 
BRUN



I'm here to help you on the information over load highway.



I have done a detail on a black dodge with light to moderate surface scratches.



the processes was

clay bar

micro fiber towels

#9 (N/A)

#7 (forgot this all together)

#20

#5

NXT tech wax and spray booster wax



these were all done with a very old Black&Decker buffer. (the orbital beats per minute were very low) I have also read you are doing all your work by hand.

I tried 3 different Meguiar's product in 3 different places in 3 different ways.

1 # 5 and then #20.



2 # 20 and then #5.



3 # 5 and then NXT.



1# showed the best results.

2 #seems that #5 was still lifting through #20 because the pad was dirtier then test1.

3# did very little for the swirls I have.



All three were toped with NXT as the LSP.





BEFORE

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AFTER

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All the photos are taken at or close to the same angel and at or close to the same time of day so not to cover or hide the finale out come



unfortunately some time has passed as you can see by the leaves on the trees





Good luck with your project let us know how you did.

As of yet I have not tired a topper on NXT
 
christ thats good !



which product/stage would you say removed most of those swirls, thats really amazing !



and yes i apply everything by hand, cant get a PC over here in the UK though im considering the Meguiars cordless buffer
 
# 5 did the most amount of work but being a? what is it they say "NOOB"? with a orbital I was leary of going to far to fast.
 
but i thought #5 was a new car glaze and wouldnt affect the swirls very much ???........if at all ?



if i was to use swirl remover #9 followed by #7 do you think i could expect to get results close to yours ?
 
I have not tried #5 by hand.



#9 or #7 were not available locally for me so I can not comment on them.



#5 did do a lot for the finer scratches "AKA" spider web. it didn't do much for the deeper ones, that I did to my self by using one of those 6"nylon brusher you'd see all around.



I have read though that you start with the "least aggressive product first then go heaver if need be. I also read that if you use a less aggressive product twice you can archive the results you would get by using a more aggressive product.



just more information to clogg the mind i guess.





Again good luck...let us know ghow you do.
 
so what product did you actually use at the time of removing those swirls, im a bit confused now ?
 
I used a new terri(sp) cloth on the buffer for each step.



I did #5 worked it intill it was a light haze on the truck. this step removed "most" of the spider web scratches.



then I did #20 did the samething, worked it intill there was a light haze but not to a dry powder.



and then I did NXT and worked this in as if i were putting a light oily haze on the truck. With the buffer NXT will go a long,long way.Being very careful not to let the pad get to dry.when I applyed NXT to the buffer I put a 1/16 bead around the edge of the pad and then a swirl to the center,worked an X pattern. For example I started upper left went right a way to the lower right and to the upper right down to the lower left and then did the whole section like normal, making sure the coverage was even. this step I left just a little more product on the truck and went on to the next section. After the whole truck was done I wiped down with a mocrofiber cloth.



I'ts late and I did not get time to spell check or prof read will do in the am.



good night
 
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