NXT - as a topper over ?
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imported_Aurora40
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You can put NXT over glazes with no problem. Mike has mentioned that before, and also Meguiar's protectants are made to be used over their glazes and polishes.
6cyl's_of_fury
its naturally curly......
With Mike always refering to Tech Wax as a "beauty wax", I have a nagging suspicion that the durability *may* be found wanting. I may be wrong, but its just a feeling I get.
I was thinking AIO, SGx3 and then Tech Wax as a topper, much like ppl are using PUPP over Klasse. Especially because Tech wax will apparently darken the paint ( mine is a black car ).
This is all of course if and when NXT arrive in Australia....
I was thinking AIO, SGx3 and then Tech Wax as a topper, much like ppl are using PUPP over Klasse. Especially because Tech wax will apparently darken the paint ( mine is a black car ).
This is all of course if and when NXT arrive in Australia....
imported_memnuts
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My plans are to use NXT as a LSP (last step product) over several products - Zaino, UPP and Poorboy's EX. I will do my durability test on my silver metallic daily driver which presently has Zaino topped with Meg #26.
I am really interested to see if NXT can really show a noticable improvement on a flawless black finish that appears , at least to my eye and many observers, to be at it's ultimate (for stock paint) level.
As everyone knows, prep is the means of the ultimate appearance and the LSP normally adds little in terms of enhancement, but functions, or should, as a protectant of the prep.
Let the test begin fellow Autopians!!! :bounce
I am really interested to see if NXT can really show a noticable improvement on a flawless black finish that appears , at least to my eye and many observers, to be at it's ultimate (for stock paint) level.
As everyone knows, prep is the means of the ultimate appearance and the LSP normally adds little in terms of enhancement, but functions, or should, as a protectant of the prep.
Let the test begin fellow Autopians!!! :bounce
imported_memnuts
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AMP01 said:blkZ28Conv,
Now I wish I had a black car again!
I will have to use you and all the other black car owners as a testamony as to how NXT will work.
Cheers,
Amp01,
I will keep you up-dated :xyxthumbs , but don't you just love how silver metallic always looks great even after driving and after most rain storms. Black as a everyday driver and being an Autopian would just be a living hell. Our LS400 is also black and driven daily (wife) and maintaining some sort of Autopian sanity is extremely hard.
:wavey
Mike_Phillips
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6cyl's_of_fury said:
The only reason I'm not making big claims about durability, or protection is because they are too hard to accurately measure.
I tested 6 waxes on the deck lid of a Honda Acura. After 4-5 days, I washed the deck lid using Zaino car wash and could not tell the difference between any of the sections. Not in appearance, and not in water beading.
I'm sure the products were still present on the finish, but visually, it was almost impossible to distinguish any demarcation lines.
I will say this however, and it goes back to Mold Release Waxes. A mold release wax has to provide long lasting, durable protection. It is a barrier-film that protects the mold from freshly applied polyester resin, styrene, and acetone from attacking the mold surface.
If a company can make a mold release wax that works, making a car wax is simple.
With a mold release wax, protection is proven otherwise you would never sell a second can, or bottle. With car wax, protection is implied... how do you test?
Meguiar's can draw from over 50 years of manufacturing mold release waxes that work, and are infact sometimes referred to as Insurance waxes, (because they insure you won't stick a mold), to create car waxes that work. I don't know of any other car wax company that can make that claim.
Some car waxes proclaim incredible protection... but is it true? How can you test?
Have to go...
Mike
6cyl's_of_fury
its naturally curly......
Mike,
I wasn't really questioning the longevity or durability of the Tech Wax, but it seems as though the marketing forces are driving home the beauty aspect rather than the durability.
Only time will tell when the hordes of eager Autopians get their hands on it and put it to the test!
I wasn't really questioning the longevity or durability of the Tech Wax, but it seems as though the marketing forces are driving home the beauty aspect rather than the durability.
Only time will tell when the hordes of eager Autopians get their hands on it and put it to the test!
imported_jgv
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A wax that lasts *FOR ME* one month is good enough... If it looks greater than others it may last 2 weeks
I wouldn't mind waxing after washing if required for that best look of all.
Let's see how this NXT goes. (Is it layer-able?) :bounce
I wouldn't mind waxing after washing if required for that best look of all.
Let's see how this NXT goes. (Is it layer-able?) :bounce
BlueDragonZ
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OK, I've been reading up on NXT and will definately try it out but my question is the opposite. I've seen the results that it does to badly swirled vehicles and I will be using this product for this reason. My finish has some flaws that I would like to get rid of with my newly acquired PC 
. Upon using NXT to take care of the swirls, what products if any can be applied over it? I currently have the PS/AIO (thanks to Autogeek ) And who knows what else I will have by Spring. :xyxthumbs
. Upon using NXT to take care of the swirls, what products if any can be applied over it? I currently have the PS/AIO (thanks to Autogeek ) And who knows what else I will have by Spring. :xyxthumbsimported_Greg1
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BlueDragonZ said:OK, I've been reading up on NXT and will definately try it out but my question is the opposite. I've seen the results that it does to badly swirled vehicles and I will be using this product for this reason. My finish has some flaws that I would like to get rid of with my newly acquired PC
This is a LSP as Mike calls it, or Last Step Product. It doesn't, from my understanding, have any chemical or physical abrasives in it to remove swirls. What you are seeing is the filling effect that it has. You aren't going to want to "take care" of swirl with NXT, but rather something like Swirl Free Polish or Dual Action Cleaner Polish, then move to AIO, then NXT, and I guess theoretically you could top with Souveran, but this is just speculation since no one has tried it, but from what Mike has described, there would be no reason to do so.
BlueDragonZ
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That's just it, I don't want to use any abrasives to remove the swirls. If NXT FILLS IN the swirls to where I don't see it anymore, COOL by me. I just don't like using any abrasives on my car if I there's an alternative.
jcdouglass
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OK, so, uh, I would not put it over a carnuba (blitz or #26)
It would be more like put klassie twins on , then the NXT, then the Carnuba. But if you do the NXT wax, then you would be putting the NXT spray thing on for quick detail ( between washes) thing.
It would be more like put klassie twins on , then the NXT, then the Carnuba. But if you do the NXT wax, then you would be putting the NXT spray thing on for quick detail ( between washes) thing.
imported_Greg1
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BlueDragonZ said:
Care to explain your reasoning? If you just want to hide your problems, use AIO, then NXT and then there is no reason you should have purchased a PC.
Edit: if you don't want any abrasives, then just put NXT and thats it because AIO has a chemical cleaner that could be considered abrasive.
BlueDragonZ
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Greg said:
Well, I didn't purschase a PC. I actually WON it.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30589&perpage=18&pagenumber=1
Depending on how comfortable I get with the PC and if I can find a good SCRATCH remover than I can't screw up on, then I'll consider doing it PROPERLY. I'm just scared than I'll ROYALY screw up my paint and of course I wuld much rather just hide them. I guess we will see.
tangix2001
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jcdouglass said:
Why would you top a synthetic with a synthetic, and then carnuba? Either use the Klasse or the NXT but I wouldn't use one on top of the other. Also Mike Phillips states NXT is a last step product, so why top with carnuba? The NXT is supposed to give carnuba like results.
tangix2001
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BlueDragonZ said:
It's rational fear if you've never used a machine before. However since you have the PC and it's an orbital and not rotary it's highly unlikely you'll damage your vehicle unless you get reckless. Try a pure polish (something with no abrasives) and do a small section of your car. You'll see there is nothing to it, and as you gain confidence move onto the heavier compounds as needed. Just be cautious but don't let the caution hold you back.
imported_Greg1
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BlueDragonZ said:
That's why the PC is so popular. It is essentially fool proof. Don't worry about screwing up because it is next to impossible on a PC. I would suggest some moderately aggressive polish to take care of the swirls, AIO to clean, NXT and that Z will look incredible.
BlueDragonZ
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Greg said:
I keep reading that too, hopefully that will the the same for me
Well, I guess it's time to start recruiting other people's car to practice on. TortoiseAWD
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It's even Tortoise-proof, and that's saying a lot.Greg said:
BlueDragonZ,
Like Thumper suggested, start out using mild products to gain confidence. With a white polishing pad and the PC, products like Meg's SMR, P21 GEPC (or S100 SEC), SSR1, 1Z Metallic Polish, etc. are going to be very mild on your finish. Once you get comfortable with the PC and milder polishes, you can evaluate your finish (and your experience) to decide if it's time to step up to more agressive pads and polishes.
Good luck (like you need any more luck . . . say, would you buy me a lottery ticket? :lol); get past that initial apprehension of taking a power tool to your paint, and you'll wonder why you didn't buy (or win) a PC sooner.
Tort