no need for wax???

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So on another forum, there is a auto painter who says that if a car is kept up, there is no need for waxing, just polishing....true??



debate now :argue
 
Oh come on, not this again...does he recommend washing with just water, too? I guess if you just polished once a year and never waxed, you might be ok, but who wouldn't want to protect that work with a little slippery stuff?
 
toyotaguy said:
So on another forum, there is a auto painter who says that if a car is kept up, there is no need for waxing, just polishing....true??



debate now :argue
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I'd never take advice from a painter. No offense to painters here. LOL They may know how to paint but that's as far as it goes. I had a painter swear to me once that it was ok to wax the car the day I got it back. As a matter of fact he insisted I did so to protect it. I did and the paint NEVER cured properly. The clear was as soft as hot butter a year later. I could drop a cotton ball on that thing and scratch it. I'll guarantee that same painter will be doing wax jobs if his shop ever gets slow and they need another source of income to stay open.
 
Danase, maybe he knew he mixed up the clear wrong and it would never harden, so he wanted you to get some wax on there so it wouldn't fall off!
 
So he means he washes his paint as soon as any major contaminants hit it? Also, if he's serious, he's doing an IPA wipedown afterwards because a lot of polishes have oils/fillers that do protect the paint somewhat.
 
Uv rays will eventually damage anything, also how bad would bird bombs be and hard water etch with no protection??, this is the defining criteria imho.
 
Sorta-random thoughts:



-Who cares what some twit says?

-Who knows what somebody means by "polish".

-There are limits to how often one can (abrasively) polish.

-Sacrificial build-films are provided by the LSP, why have vulnerably bare paint?



This sounds like another one of those "Mom....somebody's wrong about something on the internet again!" things. [Insert Nietzsche's "Flies in the Marketplace" bit here...] I wouldn't waste much, if any, time on him.
 
You will need some type of lsp to protect the surface from premature deterioration. CC's are durable, however. It has been my experience that in using an lsp the surfaces on my cars have resisted cc failure, which in a lot of cases can be attributed to a lack of care and exposure to UV rays from the sun.
 
Didn't davidF make a similiar post like this a few months ago?



Really, what was the point of this topic? Are you going to take some random painters advice who may not have the first clue about detailing?



You can be the best auto painter in the world, but that doesn't make you an expert on protecting it.



And if he was such an expert then he would know how important it is to try and keep as much clearcoat on there rather than polishing every imperfection out.



My point is, just because you work with one aspect of cars doesn't make you an expert in all fields of it.
 
The only thing is to let it cure. You can use "pure polish" McGuiare's

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QUOTE=yakky;1297625]So he means he washes his paint as soon as any major contaminants hit it? Also, if he's serious, he's doing an IPA wipedown afterwards because a lot of polishes have oils/fillers that do protect the paint somewhat.[/QUOTE]
 
toyotaguy said:
So on another forum, there is a auto painter who says that if a car is kept up, there is no need for waxing, just polishing....true??



debate now :argue
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Dsoto87 said:
Didn't davidF make a similiar post like this a few months ago?
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He must hve read this:



http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/120385-waxes-sealants-even-necessary.html



I be willing to bet that if a car was polished with a non-abrasive polish (3M UltraFina for example) & a non abrasive final polishing pad that it would look better than one that was just waxed/sealed over any given period of time and sustain the same lifespan. I don't feel LSP is creating a force field for your paint for bird bombs, acid rain and UV exposure. I see way too many abused cars daily that have never seen either protective process and their paint is in good condition (i.e. not failing). I'd rather have a high polished finish(that beads water mind you) over one that is continuously collecting micromarring any day of the decade.
 
I don't know david.



Optiseal and UPGP has given me excellent protection from bird bombs and hard water etching.



I'd far rather risk some VERY slight micromarring from applying a WOWA than leaving my paint bare and having to compound the paint to remove that etching.



With your experience I'm sure you've seen etching that was way too deep to chase. Whereas micromarring from applying a WOWA will be far easier to remove or hide.



Would one of these have prevented the etching from occuring? No one can say for sure but in my experience it would have helped somewhat if not prevented fully (as long as the contaminant was removed within a day or two).



Basically I will take what you say, and say this, I bet any car maintained with a WOWA over any given time and polished with a non abrasive polish and non abrasive pad will look far better than any car that's only polished in the same manner at the same time.



Sorry for the rant. Yes I like using WOWAs
 
David Fermani said:
He must hve read this:



http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/120385-waxes-sealants-even-necessary.html



I be willing to bet that if a car was polished with a non-abrasive polish (3M UltraFina for example) & a non abrasive final polishing pad that it would look better than one that was just waxed/sealed over any given period of time and sustain the same lifespan. I don't feel LSP is creating a force field for your paint for bird bombs, acid rain and UV exposure. I see way too many abused cars daily that have never seen either protective process and their paint is in good condition (i.e. not failing). I'd rather have a high polished finish(that beads water mind you) over one that is continuously collecting micromarring any day of the decade.
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Cool, you go first, let us know how it works out.:xyxthumbs
 
damn, didnt even read that thread david posted....



he acts and seems like he knows what he is doing...does magazine cover paint jobs as well, but i was just trying to get the other side of the fence opinions' so to speak..



i for one will always wax under the impression that it is offering some protection
 
I find some LSPs to be incredibly resistant to most environmental contaminants, including bird-bombs. I hardly *ever* get any etching on the minivan and I leave stuff on there for mighty long periods of time.



Some LSPs resist some thing but not other things, and yeah YMMV always applies, but generally they keep my paint very nice for years, even decades.



And I find that dirt washes right off with hardly any scrubbing, resulting, for the most part, in only microscopic marring. Which is more than I can say for bare paint. I mar paint more in th (unwaxed) three months after a repaint than I do in the next three years (and yeah, I'm taking the softness of fresh paint into account).



OTOH, the '93 Audi I'm getting from my elderly friend lived a pretty easy life but was hardly ever waxed, and it has major paint failure all over...those cars had awfully durable paintjobs too.



Guess you can't draw to many inferences from isolated examples, but still, everything IME has pointed to LSPs being very beneficial.
 
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