Last weekend I was polishing out my wife's '12 silver Nissan Murano in preparation for opti-coat. I compounded the whole car out with a lc orange pad and megs ultimate compound and got the correction I was looking for. I then wanted to refine the finish even more so I got out my new bottle of HD polish and a white lc pad. I put six pea sized dots of polish on the pad at started polishing between speeds 4 & 5 on my megs da. Polish seemed to be working fine, I wiped off my panel and all seemed well. I then began to polish the next section and only added two pea sized dots of polish. So i start polishing and the products starts gumming up and when i tried to wipe off the polish the stuff was stuck on the paint like concrete. I ended up having to remove the polish with an apc on the hood. I thought maybe i just had too much polish on the pad so I then got a new pad and put 3 pea sized dots on the pad, no priming. I had the same result, balls of polish flying everywhere and polish stuck like concrete on the finish. I then had to wash the panel again with apc and got frustrated so I went back to my old m205. To my surprise the exact same thing happened. This isnt my first rodeo and i've used m205 plenty of times with no problem. Is this a user error? Or is there some trick to nissan paint?
Nissan Paint Problem...HD Polish
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imported_ww2717
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Did you clean your pad before moving onto the next panel and adding more product?
Ron Ketcham
Active member
Not enough product. You are going to a "dry buff", no lubrication, panel gets hot, carrier solvent goes away and the active polishing agents dry and stick to the surface.
David Fermani
Forza Auto Salon
Sounds like sticky paint syndrome....
Ron, what you say about dry buffing sounds plausible. However I really don't think that is what was happening. Whenever I finished doing a pass (once up and once down like a criss cross) my pad was still moist with product (hd polish and m205). At first I thought I just wasn't using the hd polish correctly since it was my first time using it, but when the same thing happened using m205 on a freshly primed pad I knew something wasn't right. I've used m205 plenty of times before using the same method and never had this issue. I think David F. Might've nailed it on being sticky paint. If sticky paint is the issue, what is the fix?
Ron Ketcham
Active member
In one word, NO.
It may be whatever sealant/wax and how much is on the surface that is contributing to the concern.
You have a vehicle that was built, painted, over a year ago, most likely, and you can check the month and year of build date on the sticker in the door jam.
Is this the first time you "machined" the paint?
Is this the first time you applied anything to the paint?
If you have done either before, is this the first time you experienced this concern?
Highly and I mean "highly" unlikely that David's "so called sticky paint" is the real issue.
Just doesn't really happen at this point in the vehicle life.
Has to be something else, like what is on the paint before you buffed.
Let me know.]
It may be whatever sealant/wax and how much is on the surface that is contributing to the concern.
You have a vehicle that was built, painted, over a year ago, most likely, and you can check the month and year of build date on the sticker in the door jam.
Is this the first time you "machined" the paint?
Is this the first time you applied anything to the paint?
If you have done either before, is this the first time you experienced this concern?
Highly and I mean "highly" unlikely that David's "so called sticky paint" is the real issue.
Just doesn't really happen at this point in the vehicle life.
Has to be something else, like what is on the paint before you buffed.
Let me know.]
Ron, this is the first time I have polished this vehicle. The thing is, is that I didn't have this problem when compounding with the Meg's ultimate compound on a lc orange pad. Before I began my second polishing step with the hd polish and m205 I did a strong ipa wipedown. Also keep in mind that I tried again even after washing down the hood with an apc and still had the same result. I value your input and any other suggestions you or others may have are greatly appreciated.
Ron Ketcham
Active member
Then, this one has me stymied, the clear on that vehicle is from a company in Japan, that uses PPG technology, it's an exact of the USA clear. Haven't heard of others with that vehicle having problems, so I just don't know.
IHA Mark
New member
Did you prime your pad? Could be why the product is drying up too fast. Are you spreading it at a low speed over the section before beginning your polishing?
I've got a client that has had several Murano's. She just got a brand new one a month or two ago and I polished and sealed it right out of the box with HD Polish. Had no issues.
I've got a client that has had several Murano's. She just got a brand new one a month or two ago and I polished and sealed it right out of the box with HD Polish. Had no issues.
mikenap
New member
Ron Ketcham said:
Respectfully Ron, there are plenty of paints out there that are notoriously "sticky" well after they've been cleared at the factory. Certain paints just have a tendency to make polish removal overly difficult and this very well could be one of those issues.
Ron Ketcham
Active member
Mike, yes, there are "those" issues. No argument from me on that.
What you or me, we do not have is any real, factual information.
Example, and this is hard to track down, but a start is "production date" of the vehicle.
Second is using that production date to be able to obtain production data of that date and any "minor changes" to the paint kitchen processes during that date.
Third is were this "minor changes" involving either time or temp in the bake process.
Example, if the vehicle was at the end of the production run at the end of the week, the in-plant operators have been known to up the temp, increase the speed of the conveyor, etc in order to meet plant shut down for the week's shift.
Etc, etc.
It's not a simple as most think when it comes to such as this.
I don't have an answer, been it 5 years ago, I could have made a few calls, talked with some "friends" in the company and in a few days have some clues.
No longer possible these days.
My suggestion is that when any detailer runs into such, to look in the door jam of any vehicle and get the production date.
That would allow for the building of a "sort of " data base, no matter who is the vehicle manufacturer, and shared, might allow those who are truly interested in such to have true, factual data to refer to.
This could then be shared here and other forums to aid in understanding of such concerns.
Only problem is that so many detailers do not wish to actually take the time and effort to do such, but would rather go on the net and forums and ask "What is wrong, can someone help me?", etc.
Knowledge comes from education, the sort of informal factual data, provides some education, which then drives "knowledge".
Simple really, but hard for many to get their hands and heads around.
What you or me, we do not have is any real, factual information.
Example, and this is hard to track down, but a start is "production date" of the vehicle.
Second is using that production date to be able to obtain production data of that date and any "minor changes" to the paint kitchen processes during that date.
Third is were this "minor changes" involving either time or temp in the bake process.
Example, if the vehicle was at the end of the production run at the end of the week, the in-plant operators have been known to up the temp, increase the speed of the conveyor, etc in order to meet plant shut down for the week's shift.
Etc, etc.
It's not a simple as most think when it comes to such as this.
I don't have an answer, been it 5 years ago, I could have made a few calls, talked with some "friends" in the company and in a few days have some clues.
No longer possible these days.
My suggestion is that when any detailer runs into such, to look in the door jam of any vehicle and get the production date.
That would allow for the building of a "sort of " data base, no matter who is the vehicle manufacturer, and shared, might allow those who are truly interested in such to have true, factual data to refer to.
This could then be shared here and other forums to aid in understanding of such concerns.
Only problem is that so many detailers do not wish to actually take the time and effort to do such, but would rather go on the net and forums and ask "What is wrong, can someone help me?", etc.
Knowledge comes from education, the sort of informal factual data, provides some education, which then drives "knowledge".
Simple really, but hard for many to get their hands and heads around.
I didn't prime the pad like I would with m105, ect. I originally put about six pea-sized drops on the pad but didn't spread the polish around on the paint first. When I was done with my cycle the pad was pretty moist and covered with a good a good bit of product. I thought maybe I had put too much polish on initially so I got a fresh pad and put three pea sized drops on the pad and ended up with the same results. Maybe next time I'll try spreading the polish around on the paint at a slower speed before working it. I don't think I mentioned it before but I was using a DA and not a rotary.