New to this.. Poorboy’s Porter Cable 7424XP Polish & Protect Kit

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New to the porter cable 7424 and machine polishing... bought the Griots Garage Swirl Remover Kit as a starter kit and was wondering if I made a good choice? Any tip's for me before I get started? My 350Z is going in for a new paint job at the end of the month (Pike's Peak White). I figure there will be holograms and buffer swirls and I plan to use this to do the correction myself then wait the 30-60 days for the new paint to out gas before waxing with the Natty's. Also the kit will help me maintain the finish with a good buffing about once a year if needed... I already wash with the 2 bucket method with 2 mitts, dry with a leaf blower then blot excess water with a waffle weave towel to avoid introducing swirls. I have learned a lot about detailing over the years from lurking here and now I am venturing into the world of machine buffing.





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Griots Garage Swirl Remover Kit



Kit Includes:

Griot’s Garage 6 inch Random Orbital Polisher

16 oz. Griot’s Garage #2 Polish

16 oz. Griot’s Garage #3 Polish

16 oz. Griot’s Garage Paint Sealant

1 CCS 6.5” Orange Light-Cutting Foam Pad

1 CCS 6.5” White Polishing Foam Pad

1 CCS 6.5” Red Wax/Sealant Foam Pad

12 oz. Pinnacle XMT Polishing Foam Pad Cleaner

12 oz. Pinnacle XMT Polishing Foam Pad Conditioner

2 Yellow Microfiber Towels (16 x 16 inches)
 
Changed my mind after reading some reviews on the PC7424XP and the Poorboy's polishes... Decided to go with the Griots line of polishes and buffer...
 
I think you can get a better assortment of products if you don't by a kit. Groits is the way to go IMO--has all the power lacking in the PC and has a lifetime warranty. Some random thoughts--most would not recommend CSS pads-go with 5.5" flat pads so you'll need a 5" backing plate and you'll need allot more than 3 pads. 4 for cutting--4 for polishing and one for each wax or sealant you plan to use (dedicate these to those LSPs) at a minimum. You might want to consider HD UNO, HD Polish and POXY. Very user and beginner friendly (if you're new to this)--long working times, no dust and no heavy oils to hide defects and cause difficulty in removal. I'm relatively new to Machine Polishing and have had great results with 3D products with none of the problems many beginners have reported. POXY is a hybrid sealant/wax that is easy to apply and remove and looks great. If you get going on this now you could practice on your car before it's painted. One of our sponsors here--Detailers Domain--does have a nice package that is just the Groits, 5" backing plate and 10 Uber 5.5" flat pads. Then just add your polishes from 3D. Really don't need pad conditioner and you can clean your pads with Dawn Power Disolver from Walmart($2.83)
 


I personally would go with 5.5 flat pads. But that is personal preference. But I also think and experience that 5.5 pads rotate and work better.



As far a polishes I would go with Meg's 105/205 as a combo.



 
I'm a big believer in keeping it simple. The Griots has a ton of power but is not that reliable. I am on my 3rd one in 6 months. Not exactly quality built. I would recommend the PC7424. As for pads, I'd get 3 cutting and 3 polishing. Clean them with a bristle brush as you go and three will easily get you through a full size car. I'd get 5.5' yellow for cutting and green for polishing. I prefer the B&S ( Uber ) pads. For the average enthusiast, Menzerna Power Finish used in conjunction with these two pads will give you a finish that will most likely make you very happy. If you need more cutting power, Megs 105 with the yellow and follow up with Power Finish on the green. Run the Griots at 4 - 5 or the PC at 5.
 
I would also recommend avoiding kits. You really do not need some of the extras nor do they have enough of what you really need.



You should have a polisher. a selection of 5.5 in pads (kits never include enough nor usually 5.5-in), and the polishes such as Meg's or Menzerna etc. If you have an issue with polishing, there are lot more users of Menzera/Meguiars. If shopping at AG, the Wolfgang polishes are Menzerna variations.
 
In that case.....



3 kits/combinations come to mind:



Compounds:

M105 / D300 / HD UNO



Polishes:

M205 / 85rd / HD Polish



Cutting Pads:

Meg's or Lake Country Micro Fiber (5 inch)



Finishing Pads:

Lake Country White / HD Green & Black



Machines:

Griot's Garage / Porter Cable XP / Meguiars G110V2



Vendors:

3D: 3D Car Care - Car Wash, Car Wax, Auto Detailing supplies, Car Polishers, Car Buffers & accessories store

Buff Daddy: Home

Detailers Domain: http://www.detailersdomain.com/

Metropolitan Detail: http://metropolitandetail.com/boutique/
 
Some sorta-random thoughts follow:



-I've used/abused my GG 6" RO something awful and it's still working fine. More than I can say for me experiences with (at least one of) my PCs, but "YMMV!" always applies.



-I like my GG much more than I expected to (it was a gift, I didn't think it was worth my money), so much that it's basically become my go-to polisher (and I have 6-8 others).



-I run my GG at speed 6 almost all the time when doing correction.



-I dislike GG Machine Polishes. I dislike dimpled pads.



-I like MF Cutting Disks for serious correction.



-I've come to dislike M205 because of all the oils.



-I like Uno *much* more than I expected to and recommend it highly. Effective and user-friendly. I'd expect the other 3D polishes to perform just as well. Don't worry about the (perfectly sensible) concern that people are exaggerating how good these products are due to 3D/HD's involvement with these forums; the products simply *ARE* that good.



-I don't use pad conditioners or fancy pad cleaners (Dawn, regular or Power Dissolver, or APC, work fine for me).



-I'd recommend buying far more pads than you ever think you'll need, even if you're cleaning them with an air compressor as I am.
 
Accumulator said:
-I like Uno *much* more than I expected to and recommend it highly. Effective and user-friendly. I'd expect the other 3D polishes to perform just as well. Don't worry about the (perfectly sensible) concern that people are exaggerating how good these products are due to 3D/HD's involvement with these forums; the products simply *ARE* that good.



-I'd recommend buying far more pads than you ever think you'll need, even if you're cleaning them with an air compressor as I am.
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Somethings wrong...we're agreeing too much! I'm a bit surprised that you like the UNO so much. I was sure you'd find a fault with it. I do agree, its simply some of the best stuff there is. There are quite a few people that are quick to say they don't like it but can't seem to offer a suitable replacement for it. I do yearn for something that is as user friendly as UNO and cuts as well as 105, but I think HD might be working on something like that.
 
Dan said:
Somethings wrong...we're agreeing too much!
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Heh heh, yeah...itsn't this something?!? :eek:



I'm a bit surprised that you like the UNO so much...
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Barry had to really twist my arm before I finally tried it! I finally decided I'd better give him the benefit of the doubt and it really impressed me.



I was sure you'd find a fault with it.
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Well, OK...let's see...it doesn't cut like M105 (no biggie, when I need M105 I use M105), and I can't get it to finish out quite as well as some people can (no biggie either, I use a finishing polish).



I do yearn for something that is as user friendly as UNO and cuts as well as 105, but I think HD might be working on something like that.
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Seems like they're gradually covering all the bases, so yeah, I expect they'll come out with something.
 
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