new to rotary - how to remove swirls?

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I just bought a Chicago Tools rotary last week. I tried it out an dit looked like I did it well until the hood was in full sun. I attempted to go back over the middle of the hood with Meguiers polishing pad and #82 again to remove swirls. but it caused more swirls (see picture).



Here's my technique (that is causing more swirls):

- prime pad with several squirts of DQ

- initially put #82 on pad in X pattern

- rub over surface area

- start buffer going from side to side slowly - 4"/second

- it dries really fast so I add a bead of product and go over on slwo speed at angle to pick it up

- go over same area until product dries

- wipe off with 50% water and 50% alcohol to see how it's doing



I have attached a picture of my pad as well.



I am thinking I use to little product.



Do I need to buff until it's dry and clear?



Any ideas on how to remove those swirls with the rotary buffer - I do not have a PC - are much appreciated!
 

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Use the 9006 pad with a fine polish(Menzerna FPII or PO85RD) @ ~1200 rpm and no pressure. Just let the machine and the polish to the work. Then you should be safe.
 
what speed do you have the rotary at, it should be around 1000 to 1500 rpms. also the paint should be cool to touch and when the pad cakes up like that brush it out..hope this helps, i dont really use 82 that often..its the only 80 series i dont have..i have 80,81,83 and well i dont detail enought to need 84 or 85
 
thanks. it might lo9ok caked up in the pciture, but it's very pliable and wet. doesn't feel caked up on the pad.



Unfortunately, the chicago tool buffer does not come with speed readings. the tech support said that on speed 1, the factory test showed it goes around 1450 rpm. this doe not make any sense to me - wish I had a RPM machine to tell for certain.
 
Looking at the pad it appears that you are using little pressure and the product is slinging to the outer edges of the pad. Try using the same amount of product and a little more pressure. Report your progress and we'll take it from there.;)
 
OK. I did two more passes with no pressure and plenty of #82. The area in the red square of the picture, is the area within which I am working - about 1.5' x 1.5'. Note the swirls in the area and around it.



The product looks much more evenly distributed on the pad this time though it did sling more.



I am wondering if I should have gotten this rotary. I really did not think it would be this hard - maybe it's the buffer, the fact that you can not tell how fast you are going and it bogs under slight pressure. I just don't know.



Signed, frustrated...



On emore question, could I have gotten these out with a PC - or never put them AND made the car look terrific?
 

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thecarguy said:
thanks. it might lo9ok caked up in the pciture, but it's very pliable and wet. doesn't feel caked up on the pad.



Unfortunately, the chicago tool buffer does not come with speed readings. the tech support said that on speed 1, the factory test showed it goes around 1450 rpm. this doe not make any sense to me - wish I had a RPM machine to tell for certain.
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this might help you...i was told this was the speed reading



i suggest this rotary item number 46507 which it has simular specs as a makita and wont bog down as you described...also the rotary i spoke of is out of stock or they may have discontinued it at this moment so youlll haved to wait how long not sure......if i were you return it...and buy a hitachi it overall a better tool and did i mention five year warranty u wont regret it at least i didnt.....by the way i give you props on using a rotary if this is your first time on your clean vehicle
 
thecarguy said:
Djmigs - is the rotary item number 46507, a Chicago Tool or which brand? Thanks for the rpm specs.
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yes its a chicago brand item #46507 (11amp ul listed-it doesnt bog down as other chicago rotary)but you can only order it over the phone through harborfreight.com....i was gonna order one for a freind but they said it out of stock or discontinued they said that before and few months later it return on there site...but imho get a hitachi for 100buxs youll never have to replace a tool like you would with less expensive tools
 
the hitachi looks great. i just picked one up and can't wait to try it out. it has the same features as the makita such as constant speed control and almost identical handle design, along with being about 2 lbs lighter
 
The Hitachi rules. after using the PC for so long, I love how quiet and fast the rotary is. I use double vision when buffing with my rotary to keep from swirling. Unless using a polishing or finishing pad, I always end up with halograms and runs, but when using a polish pad i keep one eye in the shaft connected to the backing plate and on eye on the surface of the car (as best as I can :O)). I am looking to make sure that the shaft stays perpendicular to the surface the whole time. I also use no pressure and lock my torso (including arms) in a way that I am moving the buffer with my waist and not my wrists and arms. Keeping the speed at 1200 the whole time i end up with flawless finishes that are much clearer than with a PC (in no time at all). Every time I break out the rotary now I get this guilty grin thinking about when I could only use a PC, knowing how fast and beautiful it can be!
 
^^^ i agree...i use no pressure whatsoever when i use the rotary, i let the weight of the machine do the work.i know some of pros here use pressure to get outstanding results but a) im not skilled enough b) i substitute extra time & products in place of pressure
 
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