New car - holograms

[imported_Stonecipher]

Hi!



I bought my 04 Accord about 2 months ago, and it was detailed by the car shop. It has some holograms (I think) and some swirls, which can been seen in the pics, even tho the car is dirty. I have clay and Zaino, which I've used for several years.



So, normal noob questions, which I'm only asking because there are so many answers ...



What polishes would work best? I had hoped to get them local in Dallas, most carry Megs or DG.



Also agonizing over whether to get a PC and 6 pads for about $150, or an UDM and a smaller pad set for about $190. Normally I would do the extra $40 for the UDM, but there are the fixes to do, and then v2.0 fixes will cost another $50, do I need the power of UDM?

 

[imported_JoshVette]

Hi!



I bought my 04 Accord about 2 months ago, and it was detailed by the car shop. It has some holograms (I think) and some swirls, which can been seen in the pics, even tho the car is dirty. I have clay and Zaino, which I've used for several years.



So, normal noob questions, which I'm only asking because there are so many answers ...



What polishes would work best? I had hoped to get them local in Dallas, most carry Megs or DG.



Also agonizing over whether to get a PC and 6 pads for about $150, or an UDM and a smaller pad set for about $190. Normally I would do the extra $40 for the UDM, but there are the fixes to do, and then v2.0 fixes will cost another $50, do I need the power of UDM?

Hi neighbor, to be honest with you, I highly doubt you will have much luck getting out swirls and holograms with a PC or UDM.

You'll need a rotary to ensure perfection.

Those holograms don't look that bad though, so you never know, but I do know from all my experiences that Rotaries are what get those sorts of damages corrected.

Let me know if I can help you in any way.

Josh:buffing:

 

[rwisejr]

Hi neighbor, to be honest with you, I highly doubt you will have much luck getting out swirls and holograms with a PC or UDM.

You'll need a rotary to ensure perfection.

Those holograms don't look that bad though, so you never know, but I do know from all my experiences that Rotaries are what get those sorts of damages corrected.

Let me know if I can help you in any way.

Josh:buffing:

That is untrue .You can get swirls and holograms out with a PC or UDM . All it takes is Patience ,Proper technique,pad and product combinations. A rotary is much faster but requires more concentration than the PC/UDM due ability to cut faster and thus easier to burn thru paint.

 

[Brian_Brice]

The mildest of polish pad combinations via pc should correct those no problem, these pics reminded me of the time i took a look at a black honda respray which looked much worse than yours, I asked the body guy who did it if he knew what they were, he told me people love it, it's almost like those paints that change color.

 

[Scottwax]

UDM will definitely take those out and a PC probably will.



I'd get some estimates from other detail shops, present them to the dealer who messed up your car and demand they pay you. Then take the money and buy a PC or UDM.

 

[VTechFan02]

I agree with VaSuperShine and rwisejr. I have first hand experience with the UDM and a light to medium compound ie. Four Star MCC or Opt. OC will remove swirls and holograms in 1-2 passes with a Orange or Yellow pad. Follow that up with SMR or OP on a White pad and you are done. I used the 5" LC CCS pads from Danase (6 for $40) along with the OEM backing plate. Use the 'Autopia' discount code and get 10% off everything from Danase.



-Frank

 

[Scottwax]

UDM, orange Swirlbuster pad and Optimum Polish:

 

[imported_JoshVette]

Scott, I'm not familiar with Optimum, does that polish have any fillers or anything like that in it??



Which Optimum Polish did you use?



How soft is Honda clear?? I don't work on too many of them. If soft enough, and the holograms are not deep then like I said, you never know. Each car and condition is unique. Maybe a PC will pull them out, not just cover them up, but my experience is to correct it back to 100% perfection, you'll need a Rotary.



Josh

 

[Sam Funteas]

PC will definitely work. Honda paint is supersoft. I've been able to get excellent correction with menzerna polishes and a PC.

 

[BigJimZ28]

Hi neighbor, to be honest with you, I highly doubt you will have much luck getting out swirls and holograms with a PC or UDM.

You'll need a rotary to ensure perfection.

Those holograms don't look that bad though, so you never know, but I do know from all my experiences that Rotaries are what get those sorts of damages corrected.

Let me know if I can help you in any way.

Josh:buffing:

what???:LOLOL

that's like go to a chevy site and talking trash about a small block!

Maybe a PC will pull them out, not just cover them up, but my experience is to correct it back to 100% perfection, you'll need a Rotary.

have you ever used a PC?

it will remove a lot



most people on this site correct to 100% perfection with a pc

 

[Brian_Brice]

Scott, I'm not familiar with Optimum, does that polish have any fillers or anything like that in it??



Which Optimum Polish did you use?



How soft is Honda clear?? I don't work on too many of them. If soft enough, and the holograms are not deep then like I said, you never know. Each car and condition is unique. Maybe a PC will pull them out, not just cover them up, but my experience is to correct it back to 100% perfection, you'll need a Rotary.



Josh

Sorry to answer for Scott I'm sure you're disapointed :lol No oc has no fillers, it's a compound, and in combination with a swirlbuster pad is a correction machine! OP has zero fillers as well, so I've been told. Honda's are very soft. I would bet a finishing polish and polishing pad can correct that, you may need to step it up to orange and oc. Either way, it's not like looking at the holograms on that car would equal a long hard day by any means.

 

[imported_Stonecipher]

Sorry, didn't mean for it to become a Rotary vs PC topic!



So, Optimum Polish would be a good choice? It breaks down differently dependant upon the pad being used, right? Which one polish were you using Scott? (BTW, I'm in Rockwall, but I commute to Las Colinas every day)



I was thinking about the 6-pack of pads from Danase and either an UDM or PC - being 2 orange, 2 white and 2 grey, and not going overboard on too many items till I get the hang of it.



I already have Z-2 and ZFX from my previous car, a Navy Blue Metallic Firebird. I will have to experiment with the carnuba over it!



Scott

 

[imported_JoshVette]

what???:LOLOL

that's like go to a chevy site and talking trash about a small block!



have you ever used a PC?

it will remove a lot



most people on this site correct to 100% perfection with a pc

I started out with the PC on my Vette and it won't touch anything on that hard GM clear.

Sorry don't work on too many Honda's.:grinno:



Go onto the Click and Brag and see the before and after pics of swirl removal and serious paint correction and see what the real pro's are using. Most are rotary users.



On a very soft clear with very light holograms, sure the PC might get it done with a cutting pad and compound. Like I said, I'm used to dealing with very hard clear coats.



Best of luck to you, hope the poster gets it all worked out well.

Josh

 

[imported_fishbonezken]

A rotary does correct serious defects and imperfections, however it is also the rotary that instill the holograms.

If you're unsure about your machine polishing techniques with the rotary, a PC/UDM is the safest bet to get the holograms out.



just my 0.000001 cent

 

[coupe]

I have never met holograms that my PC couldnt remove.



The holograms in the op i could take out no problem at all with a PC, stupid easy.



Im a rotary user myself, and i can tell you right now my PC can do the same exact thing that my rotary can. Only difference, the rotary can do it in half the time.

 

[dulvariprestige]

'Honda\'s do have very soft paint, i should know because i own one, and yes, a PC or UDM with the right pad and product combo will remove your holograms.\r\nA white CCS and 106ff is one combo that has worked for me.\r\nCorrecting the paint can be the easy part, keeping it swirl free is the killer.\r\n\r\nGood luck\r\nJayde'

 

[jmorton10]

Also agonizing over whether to get a PC and 6 pads for about $150, or an UDM and a smaller pad set for about $190. Normally I would do the extra $40 for the UDM, but there are the fixes to do, and then v2.0 fixes will cost another $50, do I need the power of UDM?

If you want a UDM for a good price, email me at: jmorton10@myrealbox.com



I have a brand new UDM (it has been used for probably 20 minutes) that I'm not using & will sell you at a great price (make me a reasonable offer & it's yours)



~John

 

[Bigpoppa3346]

I started out with the PC on my Vette and it won't touch anything on that hard GM clear.

Sorry don't work on too many Honda's.:grinno:



Go onto the Click and Brag and see the before and after pics of swirl removal and serious paint correction and see what the real pro's are using. Most are rotary users.



On a very soft clear with very light holograms, sure the PC might get it done with a cutting pad and compound. Like I said, I'm used to dealing with very hard clear coats.



Best of luck to you, hope the poster gets it all worked out well.

Josh

Huh? I can easily remove holograms with a polishing pad and polish on a PC or UDM on most clears.

 

[cgage]

I just received my UDM with the new switch and it works great. Also, you won't need the 50 dollar upgrade if you don't use giant pads. Stick with the 5" CCS or 6 inch pads and you will be fine.



Bigpoppa3346: I used optimum polish and a white finishing pad on a lexus LS 460 last weekend and the holos came out in one pass. But that paint is soft. On my wife's Yukon XL which has hard clear it took 4 passes ( I could have easily switched to compound or used an orange pad to cut the time though). You can do almost anything with a PC/UDM, it will just take time.

 

[BigJimZ28]

I started out with the PC on my Vette and it won't touch anything on that hard GM clear.

yes you are correct the vette clear is very hard and a rotary is very good idea for that

Go onto the Click and Brag and see the before and after pics of swirl removal and serious paint correction and see what the real pro's are using. Most are rotary users.

I think there are as many using the PC as there are the Rotary

the rotary corrects faster and if you are a pro time is money

On a very soft clear with very light holograms, sure the PC might get it done with a cutting pad and compound. Like I said, I'm used to dealing with very hard clear coats.

on a few of the Camaros I own the paint is very hard and I do most of my work by PC

I only had to use the rotary a few times

Best of luck to you,

and to you!