For my details i was using RaceGlaze polish/sealant topped with NXT, then i recently started reading some threads about the cleaners in NXT taking off the previous sealant..so i temporarily switched to Mothers Pure carnuaba wax, which im worried about bonding issues with the polymer raceglaze (are my worries valid?) So since i'm partial to my RaceGlaze I'm looking for a liquid wax/sealant around $20 (OTC or online) with no cleaners and since i have durability and protection with the sealant (says 4-6 months on the raceglaze site, seems to be true) Im mostly just looking for added depth and maybe some fillers to cover up any left over small imperfections. I've been looking at the FK1 2180 but it says its cleaning ability is 3, that's probably too much?..and EX-P sounds time consuming with the 1 hr wait for removal does EX have the same wait time? Thanks for any answers/suggestions
Need Wax/ Sealant with no cleaners..
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Deanski
STUTTGART'S FINEST
Filler and no cleaner sealant= Zaino Z5.
Sealant with no cleaner, high gloss=Zaino Z2Pro
Both to be used with Zaino ZFX additive and to gain best results, Z6 spray between coats.
Finish HAS to be free from defects, as Zaino will highlight them.
Deanski
Sealant with no cleaner, high gloss=Zaino Z2Pro
Both to be used with Zaino ZFX additive and to gain best results, Z6 spray between coats.
Finish HAS to be free from defects, as Zaino will highlight them.
Deanski
budman3
Detail time!
Some sealants with no cleaners- Poorboys Ex and EX-P, 4 Star UPP, Klasse SG, Wolfgang Deep Gloss Sealant, and so on. Carnaubas that have no cleaners are- P21S, Natty's, Pinnale Souveran and so on. I actually think you have the bonding things mixed up. Since your race glaze is a sealant you might have some bonding issues when you use a sealant afterwards. You shouldn't have any problems when adding a wax on top.
Most sealants usually take 20+ minutes to haze to ensure proper bonding so that isn't just brand specific.
It seems like a carnauba wax would you your best bet for added gloss, a little bit of fillers and durability. You can keep using your Mothers stuff if you want and order up some Natty's or pick up some S100 (like P21S) from a Harley Davidson place. Hope this helped.
Most sealants usually take 20+ minutes to haze to ensure proper bonding so that isn't just brand specific.
It seems like a carnauba wax would you your best bet for added gloss, a little bit of fillers and durability. You can keep using your Mothers stuff if you want and order up some Natty's or pick up some S100 (like P21S) from a Harley Davidson place. Hope this helped.
Bence
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proplaya,
Just don't be psychotic, OK?
A lot depends on the actual application methods, pressure, etc.
NXT won't clean all of the previous layers if applied lightly. Every product which has a solvent, will clean a bit. But that doesn't mean that it won't produce great results, or eat up the previous, meticulously built layers...
Just don't be psychotic, OK?
A lot depends on the actual application methods, pressure, etc.NXT won't clean all of the previous layers if applied lightly. Every product which has a solvent, will clean a bit. But that doesn't mean that it won't produce great results, or eat up the previous, meticulously built layers...
Big Leegr
Swirls?!?! NNOOOOOOO!!!!!
In my (limited) experience with NXT wax, it didn't seem too powerful of a cleaner. As long as you aren't rubbing it in with passion, it shouldn't remove much of the Race Glaze.
As mentioned above, the Mothers PURE carnauba wax has no cleaners. (Original version does.) Mothers Top Coat also has no cleaners. Same as the others listed above.
As to the FK 2180, it doesn't have as much cleaning as an "official" 1 step, but I have heard replies that FK's products sometimes have bonding issues when applied over other brands of products. Don't know if Race Glaze would be one of them.
As mentioned above, the Mothers PURE carnauba wax has no cleaners. (Original version does.) Mothers Top Coat also has no cleaners. Same as the others listed above.
As to the FK 2180, it doesn't have as much cleaning as an "official" 1 step, but I have heard replies that FK's products sometimes have bonding issues when applied over other brands of products. Don't know if Race Glaze would be one of them.
Len_nA
New member
Bence said:proplaya,
Just don't be psychotic, OK?
NXT won't clean all of the previous layers if applied lightly. Every product which has a solvent, will clean a bit. But that doesn't mean that it won't produce great results, or eat up the previous, meticulously built layers...
That's odd, because Meguiar's customer support told me (on the phone) that it NXT was a one step product, and the cleaners would remove any glaze I put on, and that it had it's own fillers to help hide swirl marks. One of the reasons I didn't end up using it. For Meguiar's I stayed with No. 20, but that has cleaners too, as does No. 21 (to a lesser degree than No. 20).Big Leegr said:
Like Deanski posted, Zaino comes to mind for a pure sealant.
budman3
Detail time!
I guess it depends what he uses the NXT with? If used by machine I think that it would remove previous 'stuff'. By hand you may be a little better off. From Autogeeks website:
"Meguiar’s does not recommend layering Tech Wax over another sealant or wax. It has slight cleaning properties, negating the effect of the sealant rather than adding extra protection or improving the visual effect."
It seems that Zaino is a finiky product when it comes to working with other products so there is a good chance that the Zaino wouldn't bond with the Reacglaze.
As for the EX and EX-P (again, I have specifics now) it says to "Let dry to a light haze or 30-60 minutes for a deeper shine.
As I said above, I'd recomend that you find a carnauba wax that you like and stick with that.
"Meguiar’s does not recommend layering Tech Wax over another sealant or wax. It has slight cleaning properties, negating the effect of the sealant rather than adding extra protection or improving the visual effect."
It seems that Zaino is a finiky product when it comes to working with other products so there is a good chance that the Zaino wouldn't bond with the Reacglaze.
As for the EX and EX-P (again, I have specifics now) it says to "Let dry to a light haze or 30-60 minutes for a deeper shine.
As I said above, I'd recomend that you find a carnauba wax that you like and stick with that.
Deanski
STUTTGART'S FINEST
Zaino when used with ZFX will bond to most anything, that is unless it contains oils. The ZFX acts as a catalyst and helps bonding and cure time all in one application. You can layer up to three coats of Zaino in one session.
The newer Z5PRO which is purple in color does seem to hide a tad better, but gloss and a bit more wet look is better than previous Z5. On dark cars, it looks stunning!
After you're happy with enough Z5PRO, then start layering Z2PRO with the Z8 (Grand Finale) spray and you get one hell of a gloss and clear look to the finish.
Remember, as with all good sealants, finish has to be as close to perfect as possible to make it work well. Waxes/glaze etc make anything look good by filling and oils etc. Not a bad thing if you have lots of very light marring and just don't want to spend time polishing. You can fill/hide quite a bit with a good glaze! Add wax, and it's nice and glossy/wet/deep look.
Some sealants look good topped with wax. EX-P looks very good topped with wax. It all depends on the type of chemical sealant used. Yes, there are several different "technology" used in sealant chemicals. Some can even be mixed with a wax (EX) and react very well that way.
Zaino looks best on it's own. The Z8 spray to me is like crack! Very addictive due to it's high gloss and slippery feel. It's even hard to control the Autopia "CBT" on it as it glides around so effortless that unless you have a good grip, it will slide right off!
Sure, some sealants have cleaners or most likely Naptha in them which will clean/strip anything below it. A good test is use a marker on some hidden area and wipe on/off a sealant. If it's still there, no cleaner, if not or starting to be removed, you'll know it has cleaners. I sometimes use a china marker since it's waxy for that test. It all depends on what the mfg of the sealant uses as a carrier or to keep it emusified in the bottle to prevent separation.
At one time when NXT first came out, one member did the marker test on a washing machine top. The NXT did remove some of the marker. Pics were shot of the event. This is going back to the day it was released. I'm sure Meguiars may have modified the formula to some degree to meet new VOC standards.
Bottom line, when you find a sealant or wax you're happy with, stay to it since you will know how well it works. You learn the little tricks of that product(s). Switching mid-stream can in some cases be frustrating if the new product doesn't act or do what you want a first without more steps etc.
Don't forget, the heat of the finish also can really screw things up with sealants as opposed to a wax. Waxes work well warm, sealants streak when too warm/hot. Stay out of the sun for best results and make sure the finish is not hot to touch. Warm is OK. I've watched sealants streak like mad when too hot. Makes it really difficult to recover until it cools down, then it "plays nice"
Enjoy the weather!
Deanski
The newer Z5PRO which is purple in color does seem to hide a tad better, but gloss and a bit more wet look is better than previous Z5. On dark cars, it looks stunning!
After you're happy with enough Z5PRO, then start layering Z2PRO with the Z8 (Grand Finale) spray and you get one hell of a gloss and clear look to the finish.
Remember, as with all good sealants, finish has to be as close to perfect as possible to make it work well. Waxes/glaze etc make anything look good by filling and oils etc. Not a bad thing if you have lots of very light marring and just don't want to spend time polishing. You can fill/hide quite a bit with a good glaze! Add wax, and it's nice and glossy/wet/deep look.
Some sealants look good topped with wax. EX-P looks very good topped with wax. It all depends on the type of chemical sealant used. Yes, there are several different "technology" used in sealant chemicals. Some can even be mixed with a wax (EX) and react very well that way.
Zaino looks best on it's own. The Z8 spray to me is like crack! Very addictive due to it's high gloss and slippery feel. It's even hard to control the Autopia "CBT" on it as it glides around so effortless that unless you have a good grip, it will slide right off!
Sure, some sealants have cleaners or most likely Naptha in them which will clean/strip anything below it. A good test is use a marker on some hidden area and wipe on/off a sealant. If it's still there, no cleaner, if not or starting to be removed, you'll know it has cleaners. I sometimes use a china marker since it's waxy for that test. It all depends on what the mfg of the sealant uses as a carrier or to keep it emusified in the bottle to prevent separation.
At one time when NXT first came out, one member did the marker test on a washing machine top. The NXT did remove some of the marker. Pics were shot of the event. This is going back to the day it was released. I'm sure Meguiars may have modified the formula to some degree to meet new VOC standards.
Bottom line, when you find a sealant or wax you're happy with, stay to it since you will know how well it works. You learn the little tricks of that product(s). Switching mid-stream can in some cases be frustrating if the new product doesn't act or do what you want a first without more steps etc.
Don't forget, the heat of the finish also can really screw things up with sealants as opposed to a wax. Waxes work well warm, sealants streak when too warm/hot. Stay out of the sun for best results and make sure the finish is not hot to touch. Warm is OK. I've watched sealants streak like mad when too hot. Makes it really difficult to recover until it cools down, then it "plays nice"
Enjoy the weather!
Deanski
jimmybuffit
That'll buff right out!
Klasse Sealant Glaze x 3. Topped with Souveran. Takes over three days to do it right, but it will pop.
There is a reason for the popularity of the combo...
Jim
There is a reason for the popularity of the combo...
Jim
Bence
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Finish Kare 2180, 1000P, 216, FX-100, Pink
Mothers Top Coat
Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection
Mothers Top Coat
Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection