need some advice, brand new paint job

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I have a brand new paint job, will be picking the car up in a couple days. The paint supplyshop guys tell me not to wax the car for the first 4 months, only wash it. My painter tells me to wax it as much as possible for the first month to layer it and protect it. What do you guys think?



Also, could you give me some products that are essential to keeping my car looking exactly they way it looks in the pics (ie brand new)? Basically, I build cars, but I don't know anything about detailing them haha.



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butyfull paint!!! different people have different opinios but I heard you need to wait around a month but never four...
 
Love the color. From what I've read on the boards here you should listen to what the bodyshop says about waxing. The paint has to cure correctly and with a wax on it it cant.
 
If the wax contains any sort of silicone or certain other ingredients, the paint cannot vent as it cures. There are however SOME synthetic sealants that are supposed to be fine on fresh paint. I BELIEVE that Zaino, for one, can be applied to new paint without interrupting the curing process.



Wait for more opinions, but I think you'd be ok with Zaino - it'll look great on that flakey paint anyway!



Drew
 
Paint does something called "out gassing," which is really just like it sounds (Gasses escape from the paint as it cures, so if you seal the paint before this is done you run the risk of the gasses bubbling or pushing the paint off of the metal).



The SHORTEST I have ever heard a paint manufacturer recommend waiting before putting ANY type of sealant over the fresh paint is 30 days.



IMHO, (And most professionals) the PAINT MANUFACTURER is the one to listen to! They make the paint, NOT the guy who sprays it. Who do you think has higher levels of education and understanding of paint? The chemists at PPG etc, or Joe Smoe the painter? 'nuff said.



BTW, that is one sweet freaking color...good choice! :bigups
 
Nice color RZJZA80! It looks like they did a good job, especially by blowing the car apart to do the paint..... the only right, but expensive, way IMHO.



I tend to err on the side of caution and wait 3 or 4 months. You can apply a paint safe glaze for a little protection. My favorite (thanks to an old post by Accumulator) is Meguiars New Car Glaze #5. While it won't last much longer than through a car wash or a rain or two, it is a breeze to apply and remove and will add at least a little bit of protection. It also might be available for you locally if you call around.
 
I just picked up some parts I had painted and the body shop manager told me to wait 45 days before detailing. 4 months is a little too long to keep fresh paint without any protection from the elements, my opinion.



Love the color! Just hope you're not keeping those wheels on that beautiful finish :-)
 
RZJZA80 said:
... The paint supplyshop guys tell me not to wax the car for the first 4 months, only wash it. My painter tells me to wax it as much as possible for the first month to layer it and protect it. What do you guys think?...
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Listen to the shop guys. They’re right. The painter’s wrong.



DuPont paint, right? Dupont’s manuals explicitly say to wait at least 120 days.





PC.
 
I mention to the paint judge (which worked for a major auto paint manufacture as a trouble shooter and lab rat over 30 years) at a large national car show about the outgassing of fresh paint and using products that prevents the outgassing. After he quite laughing and told me that I spend to much time on the internet he explained that if paint can out gas though 100 to 200 microns of clear coat then layer of sealant or wax or sealant that isn’t even measureable by a paint gauge will not stop the process. What he did state is that the last micron of paint is the last cure and due to the outgassing will be the softest for the longest time. He said what you don’t want use is any product that has chemical reaction with the surface of the paint and chemically attachs to the surface of the paint because it could penetrate the last micro of the surface and chemically mix and change the properties of the paint. He said when happens what you will see a sight hazy in the paint and doesn’t have the clarity that it would have if properly care for. To correct this usually all is need is an aggressive polishing to remove that clear that was compromised. Also paint can cure in a couple of weeks to 4 or 5 months all depends on the weather and humidity level and if a heat booth or lamps were used.



I just pickup a C6 on 10 Mar 08 from the factory and was told by the paint guy not use a sealants or waxes for the first 30 days from the build date of the car. The front and rear bumpers are paint less than 12 hours prior to installing them on the car and are not baked or put under a heat lamp.
 
My car is a 1997 Toyota Supra Turbo Anniversary Edition. I work at Autobanh Motorsports in Houston, so i work on Supra everyday, we specialize in them. I stripped down the car myself and will be building again myself, which I can't to do for obvious reasons.



Just to be clear, the consensus is to wait at least 30 days, while just washing it with a good car shampoo? Maybe even a little carnauba wax? What shampoo and wax would you guys recommend for a new paint job like this? I noticed most products are to restore paint but what do you do to keep paint looking brand new? I bought tons of micro fiber towels and a micro fiber wash mitt, but I'm clueless on waxing and polishing. I appreciate all your input!
 
DennisH said:
I mention to the paint judge (which worked for a major auto paint manufacture as a trouble shooter and lab rat over 30 years) at a large national car show about the outgassing of fresh paint and using products that prevents the outgassing. After he quite laughing and told me that I spend to much time on the internet he explained that if paint can out gas though 100 to 200 microns of clear coat then layer of sealant or wax or sealant that isn’t even measureable by a paint gauge will not stop the process. What he did state is that the last micron of paint is the last cure and due to the outgassing will be the softest for the longest time. He said what you don’t want use is any product that has chemical reaction with the surface of the paint and chemically attachs to the surface of the paint because it could penetrate the last micro of the surface and chemically mix and change the properties of the paint.....
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Now that actually makes sense. Thank you!





RZJZA80 said:
...Just to be clear, the consensus is to wait at least 30 days, ...
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The “consensus� is irrelevant. The paint calls the shots, not the crowd.



If you want to put your faith in a random mob; It’s your paint, your call. If you want to follow the advice of the people who designed, developed and manufactured your paint (not to mention oversee quality control and track life cycle performance); you’ll find out what the manufacturer recommends.





PC.
 
RZJZA80 said:
OK fair enough. However, I have to wash the car, so what car wash/shampoo is recommended to keep it shiny and clean until i can start waxing it?
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Just use a quality car wash shampoo and for some protection use the Meg's #5 glaze I mentioned in an earlier post. That glaze will offer a little protection while still allowing the paint to cure.
 
I would wait around 2 months before putting any type of wax or sealant on it. Just in case.

Nice car btw, looks like you have a nice project going!
 
RZJZA80- Very, very nice :xyxthumbs



I sorta like the Meguiar's #62 and #00 shampoos (if you're not gonna use my fave, which is Griot's), but plenty of people like the Gold Class.



And yeah, the Meg's #5 New Car Glaze is great for this...it's so user-friendly that you won't mind applying it after every wash. And it *does* provide a little protection and some gloss/slickness/beading during the outgassing process. I've been using #5 on repaints for over 30 years and I still love the stuff.



Just avoid the waxes/etc. for three-four months or so and then see if you can still smell any "paint odor" after it's in the sun or in a closed/hot shop. I never wax/etc. until I can't smell the paint, even if that means longer than the receommended 120 days. I've been waiting five months recently, even though the paint has been baked.
 
nice, thanks for the info guys. Silly question but, I can't wash my car TOO much can I?



Also what wax and polish and whatever else would be best for the type of paint job I have and the pearl color (once I can use them of course)? I noticed some waxes and polished mention that they would be great for black and red cars, or it says dark or light cars, but my car isn't any of those so what do I use? I want to order everything at one time and not just buy the car shampoo, thanks!
 
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