Need help. Rupes LHR 75e or ....?

Ok need people to share their experience and what they would do. On the fence if I should invest in a new polisher.

My back isn`t what I would like it to be (popped a disk at 26 doing squats) so in an all day polishing session, let`s just say I pay for it for it for a few days. Also, the vibrations of my PC with a 3" backing plate and LC thinpro 3.5" pads makes my hand to numb. I have had carpal tunnel as early as my 20`s. I`ll wear anti vibration gloves which help, but I hate wearing them. Like the Michelin man. This is the only activity that gives me this issue.

I have a Flex 3401 and a 4" backing plate that I use 5" thinpro LC pads with, and I have thicker ones as well.

I like the smaller pads cause they allow me more control in the contours.

Should I replace the PC with something like the Rupes LHR 75e? Would I be able to use the LC Thinpro 3.5" pads? Will the Rupes offer little difference and just stick with what I have?
I`m polishing a 2018 Audi SQ5, Honda Pilot and Honda Civic.

I`m on the fence.
 
I’ve have the 75e as well as the griots 3”. The rupes has more power, less vibration than griots but this is my personal opinion


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I have both and the Rupes is more refined. I like both the Rupes Mini and PC and use them for different things with a 3" option. Should you get one over the PC? Well that is a question you will have to answer. The backing plate is 3" on the machine so I am sure the thin pro pads will work.
 
I`ve really come to like the 75 Mini lately, even so far as to using it with the 4" Rupes pads to do entire panels as opposed to just the curvy parts of the panel. It also works well with the thin pros when things get tighter.

Much more enjoyable than the GG6 with 3" plate.
 
Adams Swirl Killer Mini. I`ll be stepping up to that instead of the Rupes, when I am able to financially move on from the GG3. #brokecollegestudent
 
Jester7677 --

Your Flex 3401 should have a 4.5" backing plate for the 5" pads, not a 4" backing plate..
They also make smaller backing plates for this Flex you have if you want to go to 3" pads..
The Flex will not stop rotating which is what really makes corrections better..

I dont have any Rupes machines but I hear that they are engineered to only use their products and when done this way, they are supposed to be very smooth running which is a concern from you, as I read your post.
But I also read that they stop rotating on certain curves, etc., and I know not why this happens or much about it either..

I may be reading something erroneously from your post, but I hope you are not doing full on corrections with anything smaller than a 5" pad, or it will take forever and you will be changing out those smaller pads a lot more so that makes the process more laborious and time consuming..

Certainly, smaller pads and backing plates are used for doing smaller things like the tail light lenses, headlight lenses, perhaps the edge of a spoiler, the B Pillars, etc., but never for the whole vehicle, unless there is no other choice, etc..

One can still work contours, etc., with the 5" pad, by just tilting it so the top edge fits flat in that area, but you really always want the pad as flat as possible on the work..

The Flex 3401 VRG may have too much vibration for your condition and it does rotate counter clockwise, which is the only machine I have that does this, but I am ok with that, since I hardly use it that much for my specific needs anyway..

On the medical condition -carpal tunnel - I know a lot about that.. Had it really bad from decades of all kinds of power tools that eventually damaged the tunnels in each finger and the arms..

I had them all repaired by an awesome hand surgeon and have been completely trouble free for over a decade, so there may be an alternative for you as well.. I hope so..

Of the machines you already have, the Flex is the best machine to do the work, but its vibrations may not be good for you.. Especially on the hard Audi paintwork..

Correction is always about pad rotation, so the machine that gives you the most consistent, rotation, and in your case, the least amount of vibration will have to be the best choice for you...
Good luck, hope it all goes well for you !
Dan F
 
There is nothing smaller for the 3401 than the 4 3/16" backing plate (or, if you have it, the older Lake Country 4" backing plate, no longer being made). It isn`t possible to have a smaller backing plate due to the backing plate`s gear teeth on the back side that engage the polisher`s ring gear.

As for the 3401`s vibration, you may want to look at the Lake Country Hybrid Force pads. They are specifically intended for used with forced rotation polishers, and are fairly thick. The Thin Pro pads are intended to for use with dual action polishers, and their thin construction is designed to maximize power transfer to the pad, to try and reduce pad stall and get as much of the limited power most DAs have to the pad. The 3401 has neither the power limitations, nor the pad stalling of DAs. Therefore a thicker pad will cushion a lot of the vibrations, and wiill still continue to turn, even over contours.
 
I have have also problems with both the lower back and the neck. Have a 21mm longthrow polisher and was going to get a smaller polisher to get a easier polishing work. The polishers I was chosing between was the Shinemate EX603 mini and Shinemate EP803 mini rotary. Copys of 75e mini and Flex P8 mini rotary. I went with EX603 mini as I`m still in the learning curve for polishers. But I had a hard time to determind which way to go. If you only take the smooth and vibrations in the mix I would go with a mini rotary polisher. And if your budget allows hands down rupes ibrid nano polisher.
 
Adams swirl killer mini is awesome. I was in a jam and borrowed my buddies Rupes 3in mini. It was very nice but not for 300$.

The Adams has been a beast and has been used pretty much on detail the past year.
 
I had a Rupes Mini, i now use a Griot’s 6 inch with the 3 inch plate and 3 inch Griot’s pads. Every bit as good and half the price with a lifetime warranty.
 
I had a Rupes Mini, i now use a Griot’s 6 inch with the 3 inch plate and 3 inch Griot’s pads. Every bit as good ...
Hmmm....hope I don`t feel the same way as I got a Rupes Mini in hopes of it being better than my GG6/3".

Still haven`t tried my Rupes yet, but I`d sure be surprised if it`s not better/smoother than the PC, and hopefully the GG6 too.
 
Trust me it’s smooth but not as much as you’ve been told. Vibration is about the same weather I have a6,5,or 3 inch pad on the Griot’s.
 
Mike Lambert- Yeah, same plate/pad selections for the GG6 here too. Don`t get me wrong, I`ve been quite happy with it, but I bet I`ll like my BOSS15 a whole lot better for use with full-size pads and I simply prefer the smaller Rupes (eh, I mean "I think I will prefer...") for use with smaller pads. After putting small plates/pads on full-size machines for so long, I`m simply tired of it and find myself using the (not quite potent enough) GG3" pneumatic for most 3" work, figured I can improve upon that and TBH I just don`t like air tools for polishing.
 
There is nothing smaller for the 3401 than the 4 3/16" backing plate (or, if you have it, the older Lake Country 4" backing plate, no longer being made). It isn`t possible to have a smaller backing plate due to the backing plate`s gear teeth on the back side that engage the polisher`s ring gear.

As for the 3401`s vibration, you may want to look at the Lake Country Hybrid Force pads. They are specifically intended for used with forced rotation polishers, and are fairly thick. The Thin Pro pads are intended to for use with dual action polishers, and their thin construction is designed to maximize power transfer to the pad, to try and reduce pad stall and get as much of the limited power most DAs have to the pad. The 3401 has neither the power limitations, nor the pad stalling of DAs. Therefore a thicker pad will cushion a lot of the vibrations, and wiill still continue to turn, even over contours.

Well, they used to make 3 different sized Flex backing plates in a pack but perhaps it didnt work out, too many returns, didnt sell enough of them, but I definitely remember seeing them for sale, a few years ago..

Well, if you really want to get away from vibrations forever and get a backing plate and pads down to 1 inch, size, then you need Rotary Power which can do it all... :)
Dan F
 
Yeah, beginning to think rotary might need to be my next step.

All a Rotary needs is a small spacer so that any size pad can get into those tight places, and you can see the work being done better because the machine is not blocking your view.. Takes a few minutes to get used to the spacer the first time, and then it`s all second nature after..

I never remove the spacer on there and just change backing plates when needed very quickly to use the smaller pads..
You just use the 5" pad on everything that needs it, and then change to smaller plate and pad for those things that need it, and you only had to stop perhaps once to change over..

Secrets on using a Rotary -- Keep it moving, keep even downward pressure, keep it flat on the panel, keep whatever edge you use to go up and down curves flat, work the product until it is used up, keep it moist if it dries too fast, keep the speeds lower so that the pad and media can work longer, and it will always be a nice day.. :)
Dan F
 
IMO by the time most people master a rotary well enough to avoid leaving holograms (I still can`t do it every time/100% and I`ve run rotaries since the `70s) they`ll probably have done ten times as much correction as any non-Pro will do in a lifetime. And if you leave rotary holograms you`re back to the original problem of needing to polish with the RO/DA with the added challenge of seeing the holograms, hope you have the right lighting for that.

I guess I just don`t see why any non-pro would want/need a rotary...I`ll never use mine again in my life. I mean...what, you maybe correct a given vehicle once every few years, it`s just not much polishing unless you do it all the time as a profession. With the vibration/etc. issues in play I`d just be all about finding the most suitable RO/DA.
 
Is it as hard to avoid holograms with 1-2-3" backing plates as with larger BP and pads 5" and higher? Or is that it`s gets smaller buffer trails that makes them more difficult to see? And is it still so hard to polish with the new abrasives and pads on a rotary polisher when doing the last polishing step and not get holograms?

I have no experience with rotary polisher so is intrested on how it`s know days.
 
Is it as hard to avoid holograms with 1-2-3" backing plates as with larger BP and pads 5" and higher? Or is that it`s gets smaller buffer trails that makes them more difficult to see? And is it still so hard to polish with the new abrasives and pads on a rotary polisher when doing the last polishing step and not get holograms?

I have no experience with rotary polisher so is intrested on how it`s know days.

SWETM ---

As best as I can tell, and talking to some people who do production work very badly, it appears that when you rush the work, use high speeds, use the edge of the pad more than keeping it flat, there will be swirls, etc., in the paintwork...

I think that if you lift up and put the machine down while its running that can add holograms to the paint..
I never do this of course, but from looking at them, it might be what is happening there..

A lot of the defects are caused because the people are ill trained, use production type products that are made to somewhat clean the paint and hide defects quickly..

Perhaps they dont have good lights above and on the sides so they can see (if they are paying attention) what they are doing and if they are leaving each panel all swirled up...

I have had Clients with brand new Black Mercedes vehicles all swirled up, tell me that the Dealer said that the swirls are part of the Detail and dont worry about them.. :) Imagine!!!!

No one uses a Claybar to help clean out the paint beforehand, and probably everyone has seen a clean new claybar come out just almost black with gunk that was embedded in the paint that was never cleaned this way in its life, and probably had nothing but that nasty spray wax from the Brush-N-Scratch-Car Wash...

If a good wash with a good soap that helps remove wax, etc., from the beginning, and a good claybar/claytowel/media is used properly and every panel is silky-smooth, there will already be way less work for a Rotary to do and if done properly, there will be beautiful results quicker with no vibration to hurt body parts..

What has to be strictly adhered to in addition to what I have already said above, is that the pad must be moist, wiped clean a lot between passes, to get all the gunk it picked up out of the paint off so you are NOT re-cycling them back into your work, and that you do NOT put too much media on the pad to begin with, that you prime the pad with a pad conditioner and a little of the media you are using at the beginning, do not cross-mix media on the same pad, that you use pads that do not absorb quickly so they last longer, and that you have lots of pads available before you start..

The Rotary needs to be one that has soft start at 600rpm, so that you dont splatter all over the place and the pad needs some downward pressure depending on the amount of correction that is needed, and you are constantly LOOKING at the work, feeling how it is and slowing down or lifting up slightly if you feel it start to get sticky, grabby, etc., and either adding a little more moisture so it can continue to finish the process for that panel spot, or stop and gently clean off what ever is left if anything..
I personally like to work this process until there is pretty much nothing left on the panel spot, and I can see the difference compared to the area around this spot very easily, before I stop..

Sometimes depending on the paint type, it may take a few of these processes across the same place to get what you are looking for, but it for me, always comes out great, very clear, smooth, and glossy...

When I can read fine print in the paintwork (yes it will be backwards like a mirror), then I know that it will be blinding in the sun for that sun check..

One machine, one little 1-1/2" spacer, backing plates from 6" to 1" and pads, very easy and fast to change out backing plates..
I use nothing but 5" pads and either a 3" or 4" pad for things like tail light lenses and headlight/foglights.. :)
Dan F
 
There is nothing smaller for the 3401 than the 4 3/16" backing plate (or, if you have it, the older Lake Country 4" backing plate, no longer being made). It isn`t possible to have a smaller backing plate due to the backing plate`s gear teeth on the back side that engage the polisher`s ring gear.

The Lake Country 4" plate is still being sold on Autopia https://www.autopia-carcare.com/flex-backing-plate-system.html#.Wo3mhqjwaUk
(unless you meant another one?)

The Flex Mini bp is listed at 4.5"

When I bought the LC version (in 2015), it didn`t come with the larger plate as part of the interchangeable system.
 
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