Need advice of Klasse SG applications

BigLouMaxSE

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I'm coming home for X-mas break next Saturday, and looking ahead, I see some good weather that will hopefully allow me to wash my car, and re-protect it. I've been using KSG for a while, and just bought Liquid Soverean to top. Ill number my questions so they can be answered without confusion, and thanks in advance.



My first application of KSG, I used too much, and waited to do the whole car to buff off. That was a huge pain, and forced me to look to the W.O.W.O. directions as seen on this website. This is how I've used KSG the next two layers. My first SG application happened after my deep polishing detail in August, then the car sat in the garage for a month. Two months later, I came home and added another layer of KSG, and then took my car up to school where she sat for a month outside. After that month, and on Thanksgiving break, I added a third layer of KSG to my car, and it came out perfect - no buildup, and no excess SG everywhere when I brought the car in the sun. Anyways, onto my question: I plan on adding on another application of KSG or two, and then topping with two layers of LS wax (at least, maybe 3 if time permits). The problem: I can't have my car out of commission that long, and the opportunities to wash my car with above freezing temps are starting to grow seldom.



SO, I would like to get this all done in as little time as possible. On autogeek's website, they recommend KSG be applied, sit for 8-12 hours, and then buffed. You are then able to apply another layer. (1) Does anyone recomend this way? I've always heard 24 hours to cure before layering, but to cut that down in half would mean a lot. (2) If I do follow the 8-12 hours of cure time autogeek recommends, then can I use the WOWO application method without compromising anything?



Ideally, I would like to wash my car in the morning, dry, and then put another coat of KSG on using WOWO technique. After 8-12 hours goes by, I would then apply KSG again using WOWO. The next morning Liquid Soverean would be applied and buffed, and then after another 8-12 hours goes by, I would then apply another layer of LS and then buff. However, I will revise my technique depending on the suggestions of this forum.

Sorry to bring up a topic that never seems to be discussed enough, but your feedback is greatly appreciated.
 
I've always assumed that the "24 hour" cure time is a rule-of-thumb that doesn't necessarily have any scientific basis. Saying "wait a day" is convenient but I dunno if that's the magic timeframe for SG to cure.



I like to let my SG set up for a long time before buffing, and what *I* would do is apply, wait 12 hours (the longer the better), buff off, and then apply more, wait, etc./repeat. I suppose the WOWO approach would work just as well using that timeframe.



If it were mine in your situation, I would *not* top with the LS. You'd get more protection out of additional layers of SG, or, if you want a wax, I'd apply something like Collinite for the winter. Your situation doesn't sound like one were the LS would be my final LSP.
 
I want my car to look good, and this will be the first time I topped KSG with any kind of LSP. At the end of this whole ordeal, I would have 4-5 coats of KSG (taking into account any KSG that might have deteriorated during the time spent outside) plus 2-3 coats of LS.



It's good to hear that the 12 hours is going to be good enough, it will make my life easier.



My only worry was that not allowing enough cure time would actually make the two layers of KSG actually less effective than one well-cured layer of KSG.



Thanks for the input so far.
 
supposedly little benefit after 3 layers of ksg. The 24 rule does have a basis it takes that long for the polymerization of the acyrilc which is what KSG is. I am also not sure that 3 layers of wax makes much difference wax does not layer as well as the sealents
 
BigLouMaxSE said:
My only worry was that not allowing enough cure time would actually make the two layers of KSG actually less effective than one well-cured layer of KSG..



I don't think that's too likely. Some of us have applied multiple layers (well, mutliple applications at any rate ;) ) with a pretty short interval between them, and it still seemed to work out OK. Maybe not as well as letting it cure for a day or more, but still better than just doing one coat.



I don't think anybody knows how SG *really* behaves in this regard...heh heh, to find out, you might try doing multiple applications on one panel with minimal wait time. See if that panel acts SGed longer than the others. I'd bet it would. But I never bother doing such tests either ;)
 
I just did a LOT of reading on KSG on here today actually. I am applying it to my wife's car as a winter protection since I probably won't wash very frequently when the bone chilling cold hits here in Houston. I really like KSG, but it still kind of mystifies me. Seems that the 24 hr. cure time is pretty well believed in by a lot of people. However, it wasn't clear to me if that means apply, let haze, buff off, THEN let cure for 24 hrs before next coat. Or, apply, let sit 24 hrs, buff off. Kind of confusing there, but I don't think it really makes a whole heck of a lot of difference either way. One thing that does seem to be agreed upon is that any more than 3 layers is a waste of time. I have two on, going for three, and then top with #16 or Mother's if I can find it anywhere.
 
Well then, it looks like I'll only do 1 coat of KSG since I already have 3 pre-existing layers of KSG on there, and will then top with at least 2 layers of Liquid Soverean. I've heard some good things about layering a true carnuba, and hopefully LS won't dissappoint. Thanks for clearing some things up guys, it helps to have a second (or third, or fourth...) opinion on the subject. Thanks again.
 
I wouldn't consider multiple layers a waste of time. Six layers lasted over a year (that's still beading, still feel it on the paint, really *still there doing the job*) on our MPV, and that's our family beater that gets used hard in all kinds of weather. Three might last through winter, but IMO more is better, especially when it comes to daily drivers.



Tasty- the cure time is between the time you put it on and the time you add more. Assuming you don't glop on a thick mess of it the SG in contact with the paint will cure in whatever time it takes. The SG you buff off is just extra (and wasted ;) ) product anyhow. I've done it all sorts of ways (with regard to this curing time thing) and it never mattered. So these days I put on a layer, usually sorta late in the day, buff it off the next morning, and add more then. Wait until the next day, buff and add more, etc. as best I can since I need the MPV back on the road. It layers this way, even when it's not a full 24 hours' worth of curing.
 
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