carguy, I couldn't agree more! I actually went back yesterday and test drove the Pacer (mostly to convince my daugher she needs a newer car) and I'm still laughing. The thing has 97,000 documented miles on it and I can truthfully say that the test drive was one of the most frightening rides of my life. The first thing I noticed was that there was no response by the front wheels at all until the steering wheel was turned at least a half a turn. The thing wallowed like a bowl of oatmeal going down the road and couldn't possible get out of it's own way performance wise. Nothing worked inside (gauges, air, heater, etc). The radio sounded like two cats caught in a coffee can and the manual windows threatened to give you carpal tunnel they wound up and down so slowly. Most cars made within the last 10 years of so would laugh at 97,000 miles. I have seen and driven dozens of Hondas, Toyotas, Subarus with well over 100,000 miles on them that acted and felt like they had 50,000 or less on the clock (I'm not counting out domestic brands, just haven't been shopping for one lately). I think there's a song that says "These are the good old days". Yeah, I like to fondly remember back to my youth too, but like I said, looking at the Pacer was a lark, my son and daughter will never own a car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, and any other modern safety features that might just help them get back home when they go off for a drive.