Microfiber blends...

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imported_pugoman

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Hi there everyone!



I'm quite new to the world of microfibers - although I do already use the PakShak WW for drying (excellent towel).



Can anyone tell me what the best blend is for a microfiber cloth and why? For example, 70/30 or 80/20? Is one blend better for removal of product and one better to apply product?



Any advice would be very welcome.
 
This is actually a question I sought an answer from my supplier some weeks ago. The answer was incredibly long and technical but the short story is forget the blend ratio ! It is purely marketing for a customer requirement.



Only the top manufacturers produce LOW denier Microfibre. It is the Dpf ( denier per filament) that determines how good microfibre is.



Dan
 
Good comments guys... cheers!



I'm gonna get a few more cloths from PakShak - I'm very pleased with their WW drying towel and only a 5 day wait from Hawaii to UK. That's quicker than most companies achieve in the UK!
 
k2dan said:
This is actually a question I sought an answer from my supplier some weeks ago. The answer was incredibly long and technical but the short story is forget the blend ratio ! It is purely marketing for a customer requirement.



Only the top manufacturers produce LOW denier Microfibre. It is the Dpf ( denier per filament) that determines how good microfibre is.



Dan
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Denier per filament? Sorry man but there is no such term, someone is feeding you a lot of hype. Denier is the term for the diameter of a filament yarn, so it strictly refers to the width. There are no deniers per filament. Also, all microfiber yarns are low denier numbers, that is why they are microfiber. Also remember that microfiber refers to size and not to content.
 
Don't pay attention to the ratio of the blend of Polyester to Polyamide. It is not important. More important is how the towel works, and feels.



Remember not all microfiber is the same, and not all microfiber is suitable for use on your car's paint.
 
Dear Mr DF Towel thanks for your comment. To make sure I wasnt being fed anything by my supplier ive done a lot of searching and im stunned at your reply.



Denier is not the width of a towel it is the weight in gramms of 9,000 metres of yarn.



This was from one of many many fabric speciality sites and was Duponts terms.



"Denier: A unit of yarn number equal to the weight in grams of 9000m of yarn. The thicker the thread, the higher the denier, the heavier the fabric.







Microfiber does not mean size it means weight. Sure it has to be fine, and im sure the lower the denier the smaller the fiber becomes.........but the classification of Microfiber is in denier.



Here is a classification of Microfiber from the " Glossary of Hosiery terms"



"Microfiber - Microfiber is a generic term used to indicate yarns made of filament weighing less than one denier per filament (DPF), most commonly used in creation of nylon and polyester products."







Dpf or denier per filament is a very well known term and absolutely crucial in the final seperating and weight reduction process of making microfiber.



If you need more convincing



try www.geray.com/resourceguide.htm



trywww.aquis.com/faqs.shtml



try www.victor-perrin.fr/e/glossary/glossary_textil_m.htm



try www.polyspintex.com/ups/microfiber.htm



try www.outbackgear.com/product/AQUI1



try www.specialtyoutdoors.com/terms.htm



try www.torayentrant.com/faq/faq .pdf



try www.kosa.com/textfila/specfila.htm



try www.mountainzone.com/html/indnews/ 2002/html/04_08_nike.html



Do I need to go on ? Sorry if you cant click on the links im a bit of a newbie and have no idea.



I always try to be positive and nice about my posts but I am a bit surprised a manufacturer would tell me im being fed a line when clearly im not.



I also apologise to any Moderator if Im not supposed to put the links on a message.........im new.



I also want to add that Autofibers comments are absolutely correct and spot on. This has nothing to do with his post.



Dan
 
Quote: Microfiber blends...







~One man’s opinion, observation~



If you’re research is correct (and I’m not casting any doubt on it) it goes against everything I’ve ever read/learned about fibres, micro or otherwise.



I for one am looking forward to DF Towels response.















Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/



justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
 
"Denier is not the width of a towel it is the weight in gramms of 9,000 metres of yarn"



I never said it was the width of a towel! It is the size of the filament of yarn



"Denier: A unit of yarn number equal to the weight in grams of 9000m of yarn. The thicker the thread, the higher the denier, the heavier the fabric... Microfiber does not mean size it means weight..."



You are misreading the definition. It means SIZE!! First of all let's define a filament in layman's terms: it is the basic single strand of material that is eventually spun with other filaments to make a length of yarn which is then used in textile production. A filament of length 9000 meters weighing 1 gram is defined as being 1 denier in diameter. So, a single filament of 9000 meters weighing .5 grams would be a half denier in diameter. Size is always expressed as a number representing a filament weighing x grams per x number of meters. Yarn size is then expressed as the total size of the filaments making up the thread of yarn, for example 2/20/22 yarn (read 2 thread, 20, 22) would be a thread consisting of two 20 denier yarn containing 22 filaments each. This is where many manufacturers try to fool you by quoting numbers like 200,000 threads per inch. They are quoting filaments and usually more than doubling the number. Fabric or yarn weight, however is expressed in ounces or grams: by definition a Sari made of a particular type of silk is 36" wide by 7 yards long and weighs one ounce. This is used as the standard in the English system of fabric weight, need I go on to define mommie weights for silk or gram weights?



"Do I need to go on ? ... I always try to be positive and nice about my posts but I am a bit surprised a manufacturer would tell me im being fed a line when clearly im not."



No you don't need to go on, you need to grow up in a textile family, get a formal education at the Philadelphia College of Textiles, then work in the textile industry for 30 years and gain some real knowledge of yarn production, textile weaving and knitting, jacquard weaving, textile dyeing, printing, finishing, sewing, ad infinitum, then write a 500+ page book on the subject of textile production and analysis. Then you can come back and discuss the technical aspects of yarn and textile production.



What amazes me is why people get so tied up with the technical aspects of a towel! Just buy what you like and if it works stick with it, all of the high end sellers here and on other sites represent good products that have passed the test of time. All are slightly different so you have a choice. I don't see you inquiring of Barry Meguiar or Sal Zaino what percentages of chemicals and natural ingredients are in their products and analyzing every compound.
 
You are misreading the definition. It means SIZE!!



So size really does matter! LOL



(just my feeble attempt to lighten the e-mail flambe)

Thanks for the info. DFTowel, educational as always
 
Denier per filament? Sorry man but there is no such term, someone is feeding you a lot of hype. Denier is the term for the diameter of a filament yarn, so it strictly refers to the width. There are no deniers per filament.



This was your statement !



Please lets beg to differ but make peace as fellow Autopians but You do agree that there certainly is a term as DPF denier per filament now it seems.



No I dont need to ask Sal Zaino and Barry Meguiar about their chemical composition. Sal Zaino and Barry Meguiar didnt come down like a ton of bricks on a storeman and weekend detailer with the above statement.
 
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