Menzerna too Fine....need more action

tom p.

tom p.

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I got the Menzerna set of polishes this week...the polishes work very nicely but I was trying to remove deep scratching caused by customer using rubbing compound to remove dead bugs, tar, fallout, etc. Some of the spots were severe. While the two German polishes do a nice job, I need something more aggressive as I could not remove the worst of the damage...these German polishes are simply too fine.





I have both Porter Cable and hi speed rotary machine. Any thoughts on a more aggressive polish?



Thanks.
 
You may want to try Megs DACP first with a cutting pad and a rotary since you have one.



Or, you can go a bit higher to Compound Power Cleaner.



If this still does not resilve it, the last resort would be Diamond cut, but that's extreme.



If all the customer did was use a compound and rubbed hard, the DACP should attack it with a cutting pad. You also could use a wool pad if it's that bad in that one area, then use the foam cutting pad and do the rest of the car.



Once that's done you can go back to the Menzerna FP with a polish pad. However, if you get hazing from DACP, the FP may be too fine. I used Megs SFP then FP with a finish pad.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Interesting Deanski, I never thought of using FP with a finishing pad. It must burnish the surface to a brilliant luster! I own it, tried it with one pass and it stuck like glue on a single stage 1978 Mercedes 450 SEL. I haven't used it since! (intead I used VM and it worked flawlessly - follwed by #3 and then P21s)



From the reviews here, the IP and FP don't seem to be too aggressive.



Tom P., I would try DACP with a compound pad and allow it to breakdown and polish it out. I find if I work DACP long enough, I don't need to follow it with anything. It's truly a wonderful product to work with.
 
Yep, FP can stick like glue! Hence the term Glue-Zerna! I had to remove some of it with the water/alcohol spray untill I found that I was using too much. Smaller amounts seem to work. With the grey pad, it did a great job in burnishing to a very high gloss. Took a long time to work it, but the results were stunning. I find the Megs HP easier to use and accomplishes pretty much the same.



Since I was going the Zaino route, I couldn't use glazes that had fillers such as VM. But VM is one hell of a nice glaze for wax work!



Regards,

Deanski
 
I use my FP with a finishing pad, and "burnish to a high luster" is a pretty good description of how the two act together.



I see the Menzerna polishes as detailing and finishing products, not as repair products. THe most repairing that I want to do in my garaqe, at least for now, is maxed out at DACP and the D/A.



Tom
 
Thanks again. I hadn't seen that one. Someone else has suggested Menzerna Power Gloss. Products like these make me a little nervous but are going to be required for getting this damage out. :mad:
 
BTW, that Menzerna is a really fine product for those wanting to use a true polish and then finish up with your favorite wax/sealant. Good stuff!



I like products that help minimize time spent making cars look perfect. :xyxthumbs :bow
 
tom p. said:
BTW, that Menzerna is a really fine product for those wanting to use a true polish and then finish up with your favorite wax/sealant. Good stuff!



I like products that help minimize time spent making cars look perfect. :xyxthumbs :bow
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These statements sum up what I've thought about Menzerna and Meguiar's products all along. Thank you! :xyxthumbs
 
FP and a finishing pad at 1500 RMP on a rotary will make a paint surface SO SHINEY. Then add a little K-twins - WOW.



Every polish job I do invariably ends with FP to burnish the paint. I never count on if for defect removal.
 
Spilchy said:
Interesting Deanski, I never thought of using FP with a finishing pad. It must burnish the surface to a brilliant luster! I own it, tried it with one pass and it stuck like glue on a single stage 1978 Mercedes 450 SEL. I haven't used it since! (intead I used VM and it worked flawlessly - follwed by #3 and then P21s)
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Try Final Polish II. It's a little more aggressive than FP I but much easier to work with. I never have a problem with removing FP II.
 
I used Menzerna power gloss with a LC yellow pad to remove 2000 unigrit wet sanding scratches with a rotary. The power gloss left less swirling/marring then DACP did. Finished up with FP with orange LC pad and rotary, great products.
 
As has been mentioned, try Menzerna Power Gloss instead of DACP if you want an equivalent.



I've read that PG has the same abrasives as IP, but double the concentration. Thus it will do hard work but leave a better finish.



We should really refer to Menzerna polishes as a trio rather than a duo.
 
Wow, didn't notice the date...good pick up!



Is the original poster still listening? Or are we saying what he's already found out. :D
 
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