Menzerna the best polish?

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Casebrius

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I've read for MANY hours on these forums and currently use PB SSR's for the most part. It's time to order some more and I have decided to try Menzerna IP and FPII. From everything I've read, these are the BEST polishes on the market. Aside from SSR's ability to work in the sun, can anyone dispute that Menzerna is not the best out there? I know its a little pricier than some, but I don't do all that many details, so the price differance isn't going to break the bank. Many times I will go straight to an LSP from SSR2.5. Is it possible to do this with IP or is FPII needed in most cases? Thanks for your input.
 
For a "cutting" polish, it's had to say one is best. It depends on what factors you consider important, such as ease of use, speed, amount of cut, etc.



Menzerna's "finishing" polishes do have a reputation for finishing best.
 
If you apply the polishes by PC, going from SSRs to IP and FPII, I have a feeling you might be expecting too much. Menzerna have great products, but I actually prefer the SSRs when applying by PC. FPII does finish nicely and Poorboys dont really have anything that matches PO85RD, but for you going from SSR2.5 and SSR1 to IP and FPII, I doubt it's gonna rock your world.



I use and love both, but prefer SSRs for most situations.
 
If working with a PC I do not think that you will notice an appreciatalbe difference. If working with a rotary there will be a difference. I will say that you will have to do a side by side test to notice the difference.



The biggest difference that I have personally noticed is I use a lot less Menzerna product to do the same thing that I do with Poorboy's product.
 
I find Menzerna leaves the best finish (read: glossy, reflective) of any polish. I also use less and is very workable.



IP isn't as aggressive as SSR2.5 - more like SSR2, but will finish off better than either.



BTW, I only use a PC.
 
I have never used PB polishes, but I just finished polishing the hood of my black car with IP followed by FP II using a PC and Sonus pad. It was my first experience with Menzerna. I had previously used Meg #80 which was not very aggressive for removing my swirls (it did the job but took many passes and a long time). I was afraid the IP was going to be TOO aggressive, but it was not at all. I had the speed set to 5 and applied a little pressure and it left no marring or hazing at all. It did remove the swirls. When all was said and done, it appeared to finish up better than #80. The IP did dust a bit which was getting on my nerves, but the FP didn't dust much. I was not blown away but the finish looked good. From all the posts I was expecting the IP to be more aggressive as I have some very small pitting (tiny spec like) on the paint and was wondering if the IP would take it out. It didn't.
 
I've never used IP or FPII so I cant compare them to the optimum and poorboy's cutting polishes ive used, but PO85RD is hands down better than poorboy's finishing polish SSR1 and optimum's finishing polish OCP. The clarity I got from the menzerna polish was amazing. To bad its been discontinued, well, not imported to the US anymore.
 
Is there any place that still sells the Menzerna PO85RD? Everywhere I go it say discontinued :(

Would the new Menzerna 106(I think it is 106?) will be as good?



Cheers



Nick



Ps: Also lots of polishes cannot be shipped to Kalifornia because they do not meed CARB aproval :(
 
From what I hear the 106 is supposed to still be available here once supplies return. It gives the same overall effect as the85RD so that's part of why they say they're not going to have the 85RD any more.
 
106FF has the same abrasives that 85RD has in it. The difference between the two is that 106FF has them in a greater amount. Because of this, 106FF has a greater cut than 85RD. WHen the 106FF finally does come back in stock, it will be a higher price than what it was.
 
Yep, that high grade cerium oxide. It sure can do wonders especially via rotary. Stuff can disappear like the closest thing to magic. :up
 
Ok, here is some info.

Menzerna Germany (not Menzerna USA) has entered in a partnership with CMA to revamp the Blackfire line. Sometime around end of Jan new products (6) will be released. Two of those will be....a new version of 106FF and a wax. The liquids will be in 16oz. I was informed that there are Menzerna products that we are not aware of yet. More information on this new line will be relaeased around the first of the year.

Hope this helps give some information.
 
mpmiller37 said:
The IP did dust a bit which was getting on my nerves, but the FP didn't dust much. I was not blown away but the finish looked good. From all the posts I was expecting the IP to be more aggressive as I have some very small pitting (tiny spec like) on the paint and was wondering if the IP would take it out. It didn't.
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It was dusting a lot for me too until it was pointed out I wasn't using enough.



When I used more, the dusting diminished and the cut improved.
 
It was dusting a lot for me too until it was pointed out I wasn't using enough.

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That's the first I've heard of that. I've read other posts that say you don't need much product when using Menzerna. So now I'm a bit confused. On my next polishing I'll try a little more and see what happens.
 
Not sure If I agree that Menzerna is the best. Maybe via rotary which is what they we're designed for, but with my experiences with my little experiences with Menzerna via PC, they weren't any better or worse than Optimum or Poorboy's. Not to get TO far of topic but I think Optimum polishes are very nice via PC. I had 0 dusting with Optimum Polish via PC, and when I did the other half of the hood with PO85RD I saw no difference at all. Which really makes me wonder what the big fuss is over the shortage. :think:

I'll probably retry the Menzerna again, but as of now Optimum gets my recommendation for people using hte PC for performance/value.
 
Good Info. I only use a PC right now. OK, so I have a bunch of SSR2.5 that I'll use up before I get any IP. I do need more finishing polish - which is more versatile FPII or 106FF? Thanks for everyones help.
 
Casebrius said:
Good Info. I only use a PC right now. OK, so I have a bunch of SSR2.5 that I'll use up before I get any IP. I do need more finishing polish - which is more versatile FPII or 106FF? Thanks for everyones help.
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I'd say its up to you. I'm quite sure FPII has a cut of 2.0, while PO106FF has a cut of 2.5.

I'm not sure if that extra .5 of cut and extra gloss justifies the doubled price. You be the judge. ;)
 
I'll add my 2cents...



The best for cutting....no, IP is not very aggressive, it's less then DACP and SSR2.5 but it does finish nice. It does dust but nothing worse then SSR's line. I also don't use water with Menzerna, the time that I did, it was hard to remove, like some people have mentioned.



For finishing...Yes, FP or PO85RD are one of the best finishing polishes I've used for dark/black paint.



I've done a side by side with Menzerna and other finishing polishes in the direct sun (no clouds or hazing in the sky to filter the light) and Menzerna left a near flawless finish. All the other finishing polishes left a tiny bit of hazing (the hazing I'm referring to is type that is only seen in direct sun on dark non metallic paint).





IMO there are better cutting polishes available but no polish I've used (haven't tried Optimum yet) is better at finishing then Menzerna.
 
I've been really happy with Optimum and Meguiars 80 series polishes and compounds. I haven't used enough Menzerna polishes to make a blanket statement about them.
 
I haven't found another polish that finishes as well as Menzerna's finishing polishes and I've tried a good number of them. On softer paint IP will cut and finish out as well as most other mild polishes. The finishing polishes just take it to another level IMO. At this point I'm keeping OCP around as it works fairly well in the sun, long work time and no dusting. Does 85RD take it up a level? You bet. It is worth it to you? Only you can decide. For me, I get more compliments on the "look" of the paint on my car and the last thing I did to the finish was a well worked application of 85RD with *NO* LSP.
 
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