Menzerna / lexus / rotarty

l33

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Black lexus i did this week. It was completely covered in swirls.

I used



1. Gold Class shampoo

2. Overspray clay

3. rotary / yellow pad / IP

4. pc / orange pad / FP2

5. pc / finishing pad / FMJ



Here's a before shot of the hood -

swirlhood1.jpg


After shots

hood2.jpg


hood3.jpg




The fender has some scratches



fend1.jpg


After

fend2.jpg




Tool shot

side.jpg




FMJ as the topper, enough to cover the entire backend

fmj2.jpg


fmj1.jpg
 
Wow... fun stuff for sure... :xyxthumbs



Looks hella sweet now............ good job!



Hummm FMJ..yummy!



TC

:cool:
 
Ouch. You should have warned us about the first pic--it's painful to the eyes and the heart. Amazing transformation!! Have any direct sun after pics?



I'll have to try the FP with the PC. It was just recommended to me to go that route (I've been using the rotary with a polishing pad). It's pretty clear that it worked for you:up
 
Thinksnow,



You may want to use the Menzerna FP2 or Micro Polish. It has more oil in it for you to work it longer with a PC as all Menzerna products are OEM use and for use by Rotary.



I have the entire Menzerna line that I use from Ceramiclear finishes to glaze... All OEM.



They are made for touch-up work on the production line, so time is of the essence when it's used. With a PC, most work it too long and it becomes hard to wipe off. Just re-wet with a little water and you should be OK. Most also apply too much as well.



For Ceramiclear, two polishes from them used are PO85RD and PO106. Both same, using more expensive abrassive as opposed to Aluminum Oxide. The 106 has more of it, but same except for that fact as PO85RD.



The fP2 or FPII is really Micro Polish. Same as FP, just added more oils to work longer.



Menzerna makes fine polishes and your finish will be like a mirror!



I33:



Nice work on the singal stage Lexus paint! I too have very good results with Menzerna with rotary. Have not used the PC with it.

The glaze they make is very nice for final finish work.



Regards,

Deanski
 
I didn't realize that the Menzerna IP and FP were able to take out the swirls. I would of thought to use a 3M glaze to accomplish that task. The car looks good though.....nice pics.



nick
 
thinksnow - no i don't have any pics in the light after, by the time i finished it was dark out. the whole process took about 5 hrs.



Deanski, i agree, skip the FP get the FP2 (micro polish). I have the glaze and it is an excellent product!



Nickshades, they both contains light abrasive (no fillers) that will remove light scratches and swirls.



They work best with a rotary, but i already did one pass with IP so i choose the pc for the FP2 since it was a single stage.



FP2 is excellent product with the pc for removing light swirls.
 
I gave IP and FPII a try this weekend. FPII removed all of the swirls but left an oily residue. No problem with that. I used IP on parts of the car and they looked a lot deeper than the parts with FPII. I prefered removal of swirls than removing too much clear so early in the car's life
 
l33 said:




FP2 is excellent product with the pc for removing light swirls.



I'm curious what the difference is with using a product like the IP and FPII for removing swirls rather than the 3M PI-3 which does not contain fillers. Does that mean that it hides the swirls rather than removing them?? Thanks for the info.



Nick
 
Menzerna polishes DO NOT contain ANY fillers! These are OEM polishes for use by 'Benz and others in Germany. Their product quality control is the finest in the industry! They are ISO and TUV certified.



Problem most people have is the use of them. Since they are used in the OEM market and not for the detailer, problems come from improper use. On the production line in an OEM factory, Menzerna is used for spot repairs. They have a set standard/ISO system for it's use. In other words, x=milligrams, y=pad z=speed use for rotary polishing on the line.



Not to say it can't be used for detailing, just understood how it works and how to work with it.



Once you learn it, you'll find it's one of the best polishes out! They have a line that also covers the new Ceramiclear type finishes and use a more expensive abrasive and lots of it for it!



They DO have a glaze in the lineup, but that's used outside OEM.



The FMJ, although having the Menzerna name is NOT made by Menzerna, but licensed to be sold in a "kit". It's made by one company that proved to Menzerna their quality control and product line that was then approved for licensing. Nothing wrong at all with FMJ, in fact, most people really like it! Works very well and does what it says it will.



3M is the largest marketed polishes in the USA and in some countries as well. They have a tight reign on distributors, so polishes that are essentally better such as Menzerna are having a hard time finding distributors. 3M has very good marketing and a good line of products. Used correctly 3M polishes are very good at what they do, such as PIII-MG and others. Just remember that their use is for mostly bodyshop repairs.



For the detailer, most stay or use Meguiars and some other polishes as well such as Poorboys (which work VERY well) and others that are geared more to detailing and use by PC.



I hope this answers some questions on Menzerna.



I carry the entire line for work on some high-end finishes. Comes in quarts and gallons.



Regards,

Deanski
 
actually there was a shop who used to be a distrubtor of menzerna a couple of shops down from the poorboy's detailing day.
 
Very nice post Deanski, but the question still remains on the use of 3M PI-3 Glaze. The fact that it DOES NOT contain fillers mean that it just hides swirls that will reappear over time after washing away whatever protectant/sealant is on the car's surface or am I mistaken. This is the question as to whether or not fillers in a glaze constitutes its ability to hide swirls as opposed to removing them permanently. Thank you for the help



Nick
 
No, if you remove swirls with menzerna, they are gone forever. The 3m product is a competitor product, but IMO menzerna is a superior product.



Fillers, as a definition, hide swirls. So if a product contains fillers it is hiding imperfections that will re-appear eventually. I don't think 3m PI-3 contains fillers either.



Another reason i like menzerna is that it's a no nonsense product line.

Traditionally a "glaze" is a polish without abrasives. Like FTG.

A "Polish" contains light abrasives and restores depth, clairity and (nutrients?) to paint.
 
3M PIII-MG does not fill. However the PIII-FG does contain fillers AND a carnuba as it was designed for HAND use.



Refer to this: 3M Polishes



Regards,

Deanski
 
l33 said:
No, if you remove swirls with menzerna, they are gone forever. The 3m product is a competitor product, but IMO menzerna is a superior product.



Fillers, as a definition, hide swirls. So if a product contains fillers it is hiding imperfections that will re-appear eventually. I don't think 3m PI-3 contains fillers either.







Ok so my understanding now is that if the product has NO fillers then the swirls will be removed with products like Menzerna and 3M PI-3 (which has no fillers). Thsnk you for the valuable info I33.



Nick
 
You may want to use the Menzerna FP2



Dean, I was a lazy typer. I have the FP II on the way. I had been using good ol' FP but thought the oils in FP II would make application and removal a little easier. FP drys pretty quickly for me (not a plus). The end result is always worth it, though.
 
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