Menzerna IP - gumming up

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Yesterday I decided to try my new Menzerna IP on a Lake Country orange pad on my PC7424.



It was working great at first, one pass on my trunk lid and it made a notable improvement and cut through a lot of swirls. After two passes it was almost perfect. Seemed to finish down almost perfect too (even though I had some FPII + white pad at the ready).



However after doing the trunk rear quarter panel and half the roof, the pad was gumming up real bad. I was only using a tiny amount (dime/nickel size) and to prime the pad for first use I put an X on it. The pad was turning black (i have clearcoat) and felt "gummy". I also noticed the cutting power of the IP was not as good as when I started on the trunk lid.



Was it too cold (40*F)? Was it because some Blue Coral sealant crap on the car already? (I didn't clay).



BTW the car is a 2002 black VW Jetta that I have trouble cutting swirls on. The IP really seemed like it was the ticket, but was killing my pad after one panel...meaning I would need 10 pads! Also, is it seemed that IP on an orange pad was finishing down really nice, is this normal?



sorry for the long post. thanks!
 
The "gumminess" that you're feeling is the pad becoming saturated with product and clear coat. The pads are foam and are made to absorb the particles that have been polished off your clear coat. If you did not clay or use a wax stripping wash then the pad is abosrbing all the left over wax/sealant and contaminants not removed by washing. The solution I would recommend is to get yourself a pad spur to clean the pad when it becomes saturated or to have a pad or two on stand by so when your pad gets saturated you can remove it and clean it (either by soaking in some foam pad cleaner or I use a tooth brush and hot water then spin the pad on the pc at 5 or 6 to remove the water) and put on the new pad so you can complete the job, that is why preperation is such an important part of any detail. Hope that helps.
 
Kriminal said:
Erm....getright....time for a dumb question, but what's a pad spur ? :think:
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A pad spur is a "toothbrush" like tool and you can run over the pad to clean it out. For that matter, a toothbrush can also be used. Set your PC to 4 and gently run it over your pad to clean it out. Sometimes it's best to have a few pads on hand, or you can wash them out and spin dry them for re-use. Hope this helps.
 
Add some RMG or Vanilla Moose to improve the workability of IP so that it doesn't dust or gum up. And yes, IP does finish nicely, however a finishing polish like FPII will noticably improve the finish.
 
bpfoley said:
The pad was turning black (i have clearcoat) and felt "gummy". I also noticed the cutting power of the IP was not as good as when I started on the trunk lid.



Was it too cold (40*F)? Was it because some Blue Coral sealant crap on the car already? (I didn't clay).



BTW the car is a 2002 black VW Jetta that I have trouble cutting swirls on. The IP really seemed like it was the ticket, but was killing my pad after one panel...meaning I would need 10 pads! Also, is it seemed that IP on an orange pad was finishing down really nice, is this normal?



sorry for the long post. thanks!
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The likely reason that you're getting the gumming is that you didn't clay. The dirt that is on the paint but being removed by the polish will cause a foam pad to gum up. Yes, it is normal for IP to finish down pretty good with an orange pad on some finishes. It doesn't work on softer paints for me but different techniques will yield different results.
 
Sounds like to me you need to remove all previous coatings of product. FK 1119 .....

Finish Kare FK1 Consumer Detailing Products ..... Will remove all waxes etc. prior to detailing. I use this and it works quite well. you still need to clay, wash, polish, your car to get the ultimate finish. But you IP should not gum up like you say.
 
Use a fingernail cleaning brush to clean your pad every so often...work great to clean foam pads...run the PC at 3-4 and just run the brush over the working surface of the pad..cleans off the build up...works great...



Al
 
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