Meguiars 26 vs Collinite 915

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showshine59

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I am in the process of polishing a black 2001 Corvette. When finished I will protect with 2 layers of Meguiars NXT 2.0.
My dilemma is should I use M26 or Collinite 915 on top of NXT?
I read that M26 looks very good on black. But something is drawing me to Collinite.
This is a show car and looking for the WOW factor. Also not wanting to buy yet another wax.
I have these on hand
Meguiars M26
Collinite 915
Collinite 476 which I believe is similar to NXT
DP Max wax
Mothers

Secondly should I mix brands? ie Collinite on top of Meguiars
 
My suggestion/recommendation is to use Collinite 915 by itself, forgoing the Meg's NXT, and apply two coats on your show car.


 


However, if you feel the need for a sealant like NXT, then I would use Megs 26 to avoid any possible incompatibility.


 


You could "experiment" in a small area, like a door jam. and see which one looks better to you. However, most GM vehicles have less-than-acceptable paint appearance quality in  "concealed"  or secondary areas, like under trunk lids or hoods. Compare them to  ANY Japanese-based car, including those built in the USA, and you'll see what I am talking about.


 


By the way, Collinite 476 is NOT anywhere near being similar to NXT. 476 contains carnauba wax; NXT does not. NXT contains a small amount of fine abrasives for cleaning/polishing /filling swirls; 476 does not, although I would hardly characterize it as a "cleaner wax". I would not characterize 476 as a sealant, either, even though it will outlast most sealants.
 
Extreme _Radiance- I too would skip the NXT and just apply either the M26 or the 915, but note that the M26 (which *MIGHT* look a tiny bit deeper) will need redone very frequently.  Not as often as, say... Souveran, but a *LOT* more often than the 915.  IMO the NXT won't add anything comared to the Collinite, so if you really want to overkill things I'd apply the 476S and then, a day or so later, the 915.  I mean...476S simply *kills* NXT with regard to durability so unless you need some concealing from the NXT I see no reason to use it.


 


I myself would simply use the 476S, but I woudn't want you to second-quess yourself about "which looks best on black" (scare-quotes sorta intentional) and I somehow think you'd be happier with the 915.  People have posted "proof" (scare-quotes definitely intentional!) that 915 doesn't layer, but I wouldn't worry about that.  Still, I'd do a base of 476S first and then, a day later, just one coat of the 915, refreshing that now and then as needed.
 
Lonnie
Thanks for the clarification about 476. Are you using collinite 476 and 915?
Have used M26?
What is your experience ?
And here is a dumb question for all of you.
Whats the best way to remove a wax once applied and replace it with another?
Use a cleaner wax or polish it off?
 
Extreme_Radiance- IMO you don't always (usually?!?) need to remove an existing wax.  Many times I just wax over top of it with the new stuff.  Unless you have that "eh, dead wax.."-effect going on I'd try just rewaxing (do a panel or two and see what you think).


 


If you do need to remove it, I'd use either a chemical approach (e.g., strong-wash, ValuGard's "A", Eraser, etc.) or a Paint Cleaner/AIO.  Yeah, you could do a gentle polishing with a Finishing Polish, but that'd probably be my last choice unless it otherwise needed polished.
 
I have never used Collinite 915 but I have used tons of 845 and I love it.  I used it over top of Menz Power Lock on my C6 and over NXT on my Mustang GT.


 


Here is a post with both of my old cars in it so you can see.


http://www.autopia.org/forum/topic/133846-hello-from-michigan/


 


I would suggest to wait 24 hours after you apply the NXT before adding the Collinite.  I always put 2 coats of Collinite and layered them 12 hours apart.


 


Good luck and let us know how it goes.
 
Bill D- Theoretically the PrepWash should work fine.  In practical application I myself would want something stronger.
 
Guys
Thanks for the advice. I too have always applied a diff wax over another as time went by, not knowing if this acceptable. I am a loyal Meguiars user but something about Collinite intrigues me. Kinda kickin myself but I have applied NXT as a base this morning.
I plan to apply 2 coats of NXT and may use 476 as the second coat. Then apply 915 as it is in the same Collinite family before M26. All in 24 hr increments.
 
Extreme_Radiance- Just do a little inspecting to make sure you don't get some weird solvent-action/incompatibility issues.  That's a whole lotta different LSPs and thus a lot of chances for something to go haywire.  You sound bound and determined to do a lot of different-LSP-layering, so I won't try to talk you out of it ;) 
 
Accumulator


Will be taking your advice on doing a test spot. 


And secondly you crack me up.   :)


 


I should probably stay in the same brand family but ahh heck this could be the next big thing. ^_^


I was planing to use 2 coats of whatever I applied any how. 


I do like the longevity of the Collinite products and the D.O.I of M26. 


 


Not to hijack this thread, but all of this started when I inspected the paint with an intense LED and noticed the paint had become cloudy. 


The car still looked good in normal lighting.


What would cause this to happen?
 
Extreme_Radiance- Whenever I've had that cloudy paint issue (and I do recall it happening on a black GM), I solved it by repolishing with a different Finishing Polish.  Gee, not at all what you want to hear, huh?!?  I bet somebody (else) here could explain it...I'm guessing it looks just fine for practical purposes.


 


Thought- you didn't finish it with M205, did you?  The oils in that stuff can do weird things as they dissipate.


 


I hardly ever have problems from going "across-families", so I wouldn't expect that to be an issue.
 
Accumulator


After noticing the paint being cloudy, I immediately polished using M205 and a red LC pad.  The paint wasnt a noticeable haze in normal light.  Still looked black and shiny.


  I now have deep dark black smooth paint. 


Shouldnt NXT and wax seal the paint and prevent the M205 oils from dissipating?
 
Extreme_Radiance- I would *NOT* gamble on sealing in those oils (I've had other oils dissipate under the LSP and it was an awful result).  I'd strip them first to ascertain just what you *really* have there.  PIA, yeah...and my primary gripe with M205.  But worth it IMO.  Oh sheesh, I'm not trying to make more work for you :o  Just don't want any unpleasant surprises later, especially not if you do all that LSPing.
 
Yup, I was just inspecting the finish.  When wiping a soft MF towel over the paint I can see a smear.


Continued wiping is of no use. 


So, IPA looks like the only option at this point.  its not that much more work actually. 


Makes no sense cutting a corner having already gone this far. 


I'll allow NXT to cure and do the IPA tomorrow morning. 


I still like and will use M105 and M205 in the future.  They are easy to work with and provide overall good results.


BTW - I am still learning and dont mind going the extra step to make it right. 


I make sure my customers see the Vette as a selling point, so they will know my capabilities. 


Sadly no one has the show car mentality. :(  but i am fairly new at the detailing game.
 
I use Zymol Vintage. I have had it quite a while.  Meg. 26 is really a good wax!  Take a spray bottle and fill it with DI water or tap water.  Put in in the frig...


Let it get good and cold.  Ok now apply a fine mist of cold water onto the cars surface and apply M26.  One section at a time.   Once you apply one coat you can apply another.  I use to know a guy who could spit shine his army boots to a unbeleiveable finish.  This may sound stupid but this is how I wax my car.   Good Luck!!
 
4am today I spritzed cold water on each panel and applied Collinite 476.  Let it dry for an hr and then removed.  Using the spritz caused a  water smuge, not water spots.  They were easliy removed with a damp MF towel. The added benefit of doing this also cleaned off any 476 left behind.   I also noticed the oily smear from yesterday is gone. 


I will apply 915 after work and M26 tomorrow morning.  Hoping not at 4am. 


Everything looks really good and I am pleased with the results.


Thank you all for your input, I really appreciate your time and interest.
 
Extreme-Radiance- Glad to hear it's working out so well.  Yeah, that variation on the spit-shining theme can work very well, I never thought to suggest it.


 


MDRX8- Ah, you're still liking the Vintage, huh?  I like seeing that product getting some support here, if only to tweak the haters :P  And yeah, I still spit-shine my dress shoes.  I don't do it too much with the cars these days though...
 
I think your doing far more work than it can possibly benefit. 2 coats of 476 or 915 24 hours and a wash apart will look great and give you all the protection you need. With #26, you can do the same but wash again (24 hours later) after the 2nd coat. For some reason, it looks best after the first wash. 
 
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