megs apc plus as paint degreaser/pre treat in foam gun?

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dfoxengr

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I'll rephrase my original question.


Does anyone prespray (from a spray bottle) an APC or similar product (PB bug squash, P21S total auto wash, etc...) onto paint before doing an ONR wash or even a regular wash? If so, what product, dilution, and how long are you letting it sit?


 


Thanks


 


<strike>I was wondering if anyone uses this in their pre treat foaming? Id like to mix it in or just spray on first and let sit.


The other option i was thinking of is p21s/s100 total wash.</strike>
 
dfoxengr- I've never used my foamguns for that, no idea how it'd work.


 


That P21s TAW is kinda pricey, and it's not a high-foaming/suds product IME, but then I've never run *it* through a foamgun either.


 


I see what you're after, but in cases like that I just wash with "A" or FK1119 (yeah, yeah, save the flamejobs people, I know that the FK1119 is the devil and nobody should use it etc. etc.).
 
I was thinking to mix with the soap i use for a presoak. Or just spray from a spray bottle before foaming... im also wondering if just spraying the degreaser before an onr wash would wipe off cleanly with the onr.
 
 you can always have a bottle diluted with APC and spray each panel as you wash and rinse thoroughly. I wouldn't use it in the foam gun/cannon just for the sake of it dryng it on the paint which really isn't a good idea...
 
Yeah guess im looking for something i can walk aroumd and prespray, then either foam or or onr wash, whichever i am doing
 
P21s is the only degreaser probably strong enough to really provide any results. I've used APC, Citrus Wash, Dawn, etc. in my foam guns. The foam looks cool and all, but provides very little benefit.  If you are looking to presoak certain areas, you will get the best results from a spray bottle with the properly diluted cleaner.
 
Have you used apc in a spray bottle before? Or just in the gun. I have megs apc plus so if itll work id rather not get p21
 
If the car is really that bad, I will use 10:1 on paint but to be honest, that can be risky. I have seen some light etching or water marks from it on softer paints. I feel much more safe when using Optimum Power Clean diluted on the paint than I do with APC. Maybe I am just paranoid though.
 
WillWashesCars- Interesting that the P21s TAW was that effective for you.  I find it *awfully* mild compared to some of my other stuff such as OPC.  You got etching from TAW?!?  Huh, never would've expected that.
 
Accumulator said:
WillWashesCars- Interesting that the P21s TAW was that effective for you.  I find it *awfully* mild compared to some of my other stuff such as OPC.  You got etching from TAW?!?  Huh, never would've expected that.
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It's definitely mild. More like a concentrated soap as opposed to an APC. I saw no etching from P21s, I'm sorry I should clarify more. I saw problems with Megs APC. 


 


If anything I would rank them in strength from OPC, APC, then P21s. But P21s is the safest I have seen on paint followed by OPC (honestly just as safe as P21s) followed by APC.
 
It sounds as if the OP has given up trying APC in a foam gun.


I just don't think that you'd get a high enough concentration to


strip what is on there already. 


 


Does anyone know foam gun concentrations?  Lets say that you put


one ounce of concentrate in the gun, how could you figure this. 

First, this would be changed by the setting of the foam gun.


We should try and figure out the highest dilution and highest


concentration settings to see how plausible this is in reality.


 


If you add 1 ounce and you spray until the concentrate is gone,


how many gallons would you have sprayed approximately?


While this could give a base to work off of, this becomes exceedingly


complex as the concentrate is consistently reduced in the bottle,


so the dilution ratio is not static.


 


Am I really missing the ball here on how foam guns work?


Please let someone else chime in on this .......


Is the dilution ratio strong enough to where a degreaser is possible?


 


 


 


ETA: Dfox, I have had great success with OPC.  I mix a little bit of that with


some ONR and it is a great degreaser prespray.  Also, I like that if I don't


use too high of concentration that it appears to not strip LSP.  Plus, if you


use a small enough amount it doesn't appear to mess with the Rinseless


ability of ONR.  This makes it great to help with road salt and RVs.
 
Sometimes I will add a few ounces of OPC to the reservoir of my foam gun when a car is really dirty or to aid in stripping a stubborn LSP.  I don't like using any APC directly on paint at normal dilutions unless I will be polishing but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.  I won't use Meg's APC+ on paint.  I have seen too many issues with spotting and streaking from it.  


 


 
WilliamWallacesWashAndWax said:
<span style="font-size:12px;">Does anyone know foam gun concentrations?  Lets say that you put


one ounce of concentrate in the gun, how could you figure this. 

First, this would be changed by the setting of the foam gun.


We should try and figure out the highest dilution and highest


concentration settings to see how plausible this is in reality.


 


If you add 1 ounce and you spray until the concentrate is gone,


how many gallons would you have sprayed approximately?


While this could give a base to work off of, this becomes exceedingly


complex as the concentrate is consistently reduced in the bottle,


so the dilution ratio is not static.


 


Am I really missing the ball here on how foam guns work?


Please let someone else chime in on this .......


Is the dilution ratio strong enough to where a degreaser is possible?


 
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Every pressure washer and foam gun will be different but you can figure out your ratios pretty easily by spraying into a bucket.  Spray for 1 minute then measure the amount in the bucket to get your gallons/minute volume.  Now add some water (add some food coloring if you like)  to your foam gun reservoir and spray until exhausted, timing how long it takes.  You now can figure your ounces per gallon.  


 


Most foam guns work on a syphon system.  The liquid from the reservoir is drawn up by the water passing through the gun so the dilution should be constant.  


 


The purpose of a foam gun is to create foam.  Most APC and degreasers won't foam so they would only be used in conjunction with a foaming soap to boost performance.  If heavy cleaning is necessary it will be more efficient to use a dedicated sprayer.
 
Great idea with food coloring.

I guess I am thinking more along the lines of a

Miracle grow gun than a Gilmour. Thanks 4 info.
 
Im looking to use it in either a foam gun with soap, or in a sprayer. With foam before a regular wash or with sprayer before onr wash.
 
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