Meg's #7/#26 combo VEERRRY smeary!!

stiege

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Holy cow!! I wetsanded, compounded, polished, glazed and waxed the hood and fenders of my 68 Galaxie ss black. OMG, it looks fabulous. No orange peel, super smooth paint and a ridiculously deep shine.



I used #7 with a white pad and the pc. I let it sit for 20 minutes, buffed it off (kind of tough to do) and used the black pad to apply a nice thin coat of #24.



It really looks great and beads really well, but if I rub my finger on it it smears. Will the #24 paste be harder? Should I just buy a can of #16? What has been your experience with #16 over #7? Also, since this car sits out, can I use something harder like Collinite over the #7?



Thanks in advance,



Jason



Also, what would be the best qd for the #7/?? combo?
 
when using No7 your supposed to let it skin so you use very little then wipe off. If its too hard to wipe off then your using too much. so apply it as thin as possible then use the 26 and you will have no problems. I only encountered problems with No7 while using it while it was humid outside that will cause problems.



never used 16 so i cant compliment on that.
 
I know a lot of people use the PC as an applicator these days but, I think of it primarily as a surface prep tool. #7 does not cure or harden like a wax and will liquify if you rub it enough. I believe it is possible that when you applied #26 by PC #7 re-liquified causing the smeariness that you are seeing. What speed did you run the PC at? The #7,#26 combo is one of my favorites that I have been using for years. I have never experienced any smeariness from it. I apply and remove #7 and #26 by hand though.
 
The #7 bottle says apply with rotary, pc or hand. That speed was 3. I really rubbed it in, spending around two minutes on the hood. I let it sit for about 20 minutes until it "skinned" and rubbed it off with the mf. The #26 I applied at 2, and did it fairly quickly, so as not to let the pad re-buff it off as it was being applied.



Maybe I didn't let the #26 harden long enough (10 min)?



Jason
 
i think if you apply the 7 properly you shouldnt have any problem. If you PM Mike Phillips he can give you the correct way to do this. Good luck
 
From my experience, the 10 min. wait time for the #26 wasn't your problem. I'd be more willing to be that it was either that you applied too much of the product (you need very little with #7) or that it was humid while you were working. It seems as though when I use #7 it can depend on the day whether or not it appears to streak, even if applied in exaclty the same manner.
 
Wipe it down again with a mf towel. There's still some product left on the car, even though it looks clear. I've had this happen more than once.





Tom
 
I agree with what's been said...



I've done both #7 and #26 Liquid by PC and hand. No problems either way, but I get it on thin. (I live in a low humidity climate.) I prefer to apply #7 by hand because I think I can spread it thinner, fast enough and with even coverage. I don't use #26 paste wax. #26 for dark and #16 for light.



#16 Paste Wax looks great but has it's own special quirks. Put on very thin and get it off pretty quickly....10-15 minutes,(in my dry climate), one small area a time. I do two panels, remove the first, wax the third, remove the second and so on. I left some on once for a slightly over one hour to eat dinner...that was a bad move. #16 is a very good durable wax and one of my favorites. I've topped EX-P with #16 on light colors. I need to try Pinnacle Glaz Wax...can anyone compare that to #16?
 
#7 is a bit tricky.



See this link: Megs #7



Also, check this site as well: Meguiars Online



Do a search on Show Car Glaze. There are several articles from Mike Phillips on this very problem.



Better still, use #81 Hand polish.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Deanski said:
Better still, use #81 Hand polish.



Regards,

Deanski



This product is easier to work with, but if the paint is a single stage, correctly applied and removed, #7 should be fairly easy to work with.



Mike
 
stiege said:
Holy cow!! I wetsanded, compounded, polished, glazed and waxed the hood and fenders of my 68 Galaxie ss black. OMG, it looks fabulous. No orange peel, super smooth paint and a ridiculously deep shine.



:showpics



I used #7 with a white pad and the pc. I let it sit for 20 minutes, buffed it off (kind of tough to do) and used the black pad to apply a nice thin coat of #26.



You don't need to let #7 skin after applying. (I know this might be confusing, but bare with me).



Two ways to apply and remove #7 Show Car Glaze.



1) Section by section, or panel by panel

2) Apply to entire car the remove all at once



Either way, you apply a thin coat and work it into the finish thoroughly. Immediately after you have worked it in, start removing it. I prefer a nice, soft, fluffy terry cloth towel for the first pass. For this first pass, don't try to remove it all like a wax, just remove most of it and move on to the rest of the panel, or the rest of the car.



After you have made the first pass and removed most of of the #7 Show Car Glaze, while you were moving on, the residual film of #7 Show Car Glaze will have skinned to some degree, helping to make your next pass at removing it a little easier. For subsequent pases, if you have some high quality microfiber polishing cloths, switch over to these for the second and third pass.



The idea is to remove most of it using the nap of the terry cloth towel as the little cotton loops will help to break up the oily, continuous film of the #7 enabling you to remove it with less struggling. The oily residue you have left behind will now wipe of much easier, and without having to fight it using a microfiber polishing cloth, or a new, clean, soft cotton towel.



Part of what you're trying to do is to remove the product without instilling any towel scratches and without struggling. Sometimes a little technique goes a long way.



Also, in my experience, because the #7 is quite rich in polishing oils, it is better, sometimes faster after you have the technique down, to remove the #7 with 2-3 passes, versus one pass.



After you have remove the #7, then apply your wax. If you're using #26, you want to apply a thin coat and allow it to dry until it swipes clear using the How to tell when a Meguiar's wax is ready to remove - The Swipe Test



If you read the label on the #26 it states that this wax dries clear. Next time you apply this product, using a thin coating, let at least 15 minutes pass and then look at it, if your experience is anything like mine, you will notice it is a very clear wax, that is, it has not dried opaque, or whitish. This can make knowing when to remove it difficult because it doesn't ever really dry to a haze, it more or less always looks like it a little wet, because it's clear.



Thus, the reason to use the Swipe Test. Apply a thin, uniform coating and then remove with a clean, soft premium quality microfiber polishing cloth, or a clean, soft 100% cotton terry cloth towel.



It really looks great and beads really well, but if I rub my finger on it it smears. Will the #26 paste be harder?

When it comes to the Meguiar's line of waxes, there is no difference between liquids and pastes versions. It's merely a matter of preference



Should I just buy a can of #16? What has been your experience with #16 over #7? Also, since this car sits out, can I use something harder like Collinite over the #7?



Thanks in advance,



Jason



Also, what would be the best qd for the #7/?? combo?



#16 doesn't leave the finish looking as rich as the 26, but it does leave a nice high gloss finish.



Hope this helps...



Mike
 
Mike,



Thanks big guy!:xyxthumbs That's the info I was looking for as to #7 that you previously posted some time ago.



BTW, the PC/pad guide you also posted should now become the defacto sticky as that would answer many questions.



Too bad I missed the detail day in NJ. Hopefully, more in the east will follow next year.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Mike Phillips said:
:showpics







You don't need to let #7 skin after applying. (I know this might be confusing, but bare with me).



Two ways to apply and remove #7 Show Car Glaze.



1) Section by section, or panel by panel

2) Apply to entire car the remove all at once



Either way, you apply a thin coat and work it into the finish thoroughly. Immediately after you have worked it in, start removing it. I prefer a nice, soft, fluffy terry cloth towel for the first pass. For this first pass, don't try to remove it all like a wax, just remove most of it and move on to the rest of the panel, or the rest of the car.



After you have made the first pass and removed most of of the #7 Show Car Glaze, while you were moving on, the residual film of #7 Show Car Glaze will have skinned to some degree, helping to make your next pass at removing it a little easier. For subsequent pases, if you have some high quality microfiber polishing cloths, switch over to these for the second and third pass.



The idea is to remove most of it using the nap of the terry cloth towel as the little cotton loops will help to break up the oily, continuous film of the #7 enabling you to remove it with less struggling. The oily residue you have left behind will now wipe of much easier, and without having to fight it using a microfiber polishing cloth, or a new, clean, soft cotton towel.



Part of what you're trying to do is to remove the product without instilling any towel scratches and without struggling. Sometimes a little technique goes a long way.



Also, in my experience, because the #7 is quite rich in polishing oils, it is better, sometimes faster after you have the technique down, to remove the #7 with 2-3 passes, versus one pass.



After you have remove the #7, then apply your wax. If you're using #26, you want to apply a thin coat and allow it to dry until it swipes clear using the How to tell when a Meguiar's wax is ready to remove - The Swipe Test



If you read the label on the #26 it states that this wax dries clear. Next time you apply this product, using a thin coating, let at least 15 minutes pass and then look at it, if your experience is anything like mine, you will notice it is a very clear wax, that is, it has not dried opaque, or whitish. This can make knowing when to remove it difficult because it doesn't ever really dry to a haze, it more or less always looks like it a little wet, because it's clear.



Thus, the reason to use the Swipe Test. Apply a thin, uniform coating and then remove with a clean, soft premium quality microfiber polishing cloth, or a clean, soft 100% cotton terry cloth towel.





When it comes to the Meguiar's line of waxes, there is no difference between liquids and pastes versions. It's merely a matter of preference







#16 doesn't leave the finish looking as rich as the 26, but it does leave a nice high gloss finish.



Hope this helps...



Mike

:hm ive wondered how long it takes him to write these replies, cause they sure are long
 
You know, I'd read a lot about #7 and about how well it works on ss paint on the board before I bought it (and the pads, pc, compound, wax, etc). I even read some bits about how it works (physically speaking). But I never read the piece from Mike linked above. Yikes, that's pretty complete. If only the #7 label was so.



Now I know what I did wrong. Too much #7. I got it all off but had to go over the panels twice with a little rest (and a beer) in between. Also, I used too much #26 and then did not let it cure long enough. It was definitely not close to "clear/transparent" when I took it off.



The good news is today, when I got home from the office, I ran my finger over the paint and it's not smeary at all. I guess the glaze/wax cured itself and it really looks great.



Since the car sits outside, I think I'll get a can of #16, because as good as the #26 looks, I need it to last more than a few weeks.



Thanks for everyone's help!



Jason
 
stiege said:
You know, I'd read a lot about #7 and about how well it works on ss paint on the board before I bought it (and the pads, pc, compound, wax, etc). I even read some bits about how it works (physically speaking). But I never read the piece from Mike linked above. Yikes, that's pretty complete. If only the #7 label was so.



Jason



I re-wrote the above mentioned article to fix all kinds of mistakes, if/when I finish it off, I'll send it to David to replace the existing piece.



Mike
 
In the future, you might also want to consider using #3 Machine Glaze. I find it much easier to use than #7 and it is just as wet looking.



What you can do is top #26 with #16 but I would wait a week or so and wash the car first. You should notice after a week, #26 looks even better; seems to take a long time to fully set. After that, you should be good to go with #16. It won't add more depth but it will add wetness.
 
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