M105/M205 ... then what?

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VForce

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Sorry for the complete noob question but I'm new to the Machine Polishing and profesional products land.



I have been using the old Meguiars Cleaner/Polish/Wax by hand for years.



Now I am purchasing a DA this weekend and want to get all the products I need.



My thoughts were



DA: G110

Paint Cleaner: ???

Polish: M105/M205 (Soft Paint, will likely only use the M205)

Wax: ???

Sealant: M21

QD: M135



Does that sound right? What would I put in the gaps? Am I missing anything?



Also, with the soft Obsidian Black Lexus paint, what pads would I want to use. Was looking at the the LC White, Black & Blue.
 
So, something like this?



Polish: M105/M205 (Soft Paint, will likely only use the M205)

Sealant: M21

Wax: M26

QD: M135



Am I hurting the process by only using Meguiar’s? I know it’s subjective but is there another brand of wax and/or sealant I should be looking at. I’m not too interested in ZAINO. Good product, not into ZFX and layering.



Again, sorry for the noob questions.
 
VForce- You might find that you like the M21 (or the M26) all by itself. It's not like you *need* to do both a wax and a sealant.



I dunno if you'll notice a functional difference between the black and blue LC pads :nixweiss
 
I was under the impression that the sealant protects but can leave an "unnatural" look and that is the reason for the wax.



If I'm wrong, that’s great as I’m all for less steps. I just want to make sure the car looks good.
 
VForce said:
I was under the impression that the sealant protects but can leave an "unnatural" look and that is the reason for the wax.



If I'm wrong, that’s great as I’m all for less steps. I just want to make sure the car looks good.
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Yeah, some LSPs look different from/better/worse than others, but I really think you just have to try stuff on *your* paint and see what *you* think.



FWIW, I approach it this way- I use sealants on some of our vehicles and waxes on others. You *can* have great protection from waxes (that's not just a sealant thing) and you can have great looks from sealants (that's not just a wax thing).



I no longer top sealants with waxes; if I want a wax-look I just use wax period. Topping sealants with waxes precludes adding more sealant later, and for me that defeats one of the reasons I'd use a sealant in the first place (namely the ability to layer).
 
Makes sense. I also like having one less step:cool:



I'll take the wax off the order and see how I like the M21
 
I agree with Accumulator. No need to layer over M21. Especially the 2.0 version. Has a warm look like you expect form a Nuba.



Also, M205 is very pad dependant. More so than with diminishing abrasive products. Start out with a finishing pad and 205. If you are not getting enough cut go to a polishing pad and 205. Still not enough? Then make the step to #105 on a polishing pad. After that you should be able to go to #205 on a finishing pad.



My experience with #205 is still limited but I have found pretty good varience in how it finishes out depending on how much I lean on the DA during the final passes. I have better results using moderate pressure for all 5-6 passes than lightening up on the last two. However, I have not used it on a soft clear yet. As soon as I can push myself away from the computer I'm going to do a white CR-V. I should have a better idea after that I suppose.
 
Thanks for that great advice Jason. I expect M205 with proper pad to be my polish of choice. I will have M105 around just for the spot polishing.
 
VForce said:
I sure will. Product was ordered last night and I should be working on this next weekend.
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Just curious, where did you order the M105/205?



I am looking to purchase tonight as well.
 
Jason M said:
Also, M205 is very pad dependant. More so than with diminishing abrasive products. Start out with a finishing pad and 205. If you are not getting enough cut go to a polishing pad and 205. Still not enough? Then make the step to #105 on a polishing pad. After that you should be able to go to #205 on a finishing pad.
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Lets say you use M205 on a LC orange but its not enough. Can I reuse the same pad with M105?
 
My guess is no for the fact that the harsh abrasives of the M105 would still be on the pad when applying the M205.



You’ll end up with a less that M205 finish.
 
I think you read my question wrong...



Using M105 on a pad that already had M205 on it is going from less abrasive to more abrasive.
 
jmkiang said:
Lets say you use M205 on a LC orange but its not enough. Can I reuse the same pad with M105?
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While I wouldn't use a finising polish like M205 on an orange pad in the first place, it's OK to use more aggressive products on a pad that' previously been used with mild stuff.
 
Accumulator said:
While I wouldn't use a finising polish like M205 on an orange pad in the first place, it's OK to use more aggressive products on a pad that' previously been used with mild stuff.
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It wouldn't cross my mind to do it but Jason M brought it up... thats why I was asking.



I have a limited supply of pads (2x orange, 2x white, 2x gray) so reusing pads would be helpful until I restock.

VForce said:
Sorry, I did read it wrong. That is a good question.
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:think2
 
I didn't actually mean use the same exact pad. Just the same color/cut of pad. That being said, it should not cause any issues going from less to more aggressive with the same exact pad. Especially for just a test spot. It doesn't take much time to clean pads though. I would try to keep it to one product per pad until you can wash them.
 
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