M-105-Kit or System One X3 Kit?

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JonP

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I never used either product (M-105 or System One X3) and I do not have enough left of any product on hand to remove some mild swirls and oxidation on two stretched limos, a BMW, and a convertible Chrysler. I need to get this done by the end of the month and with my already busy schedule, it's going to take a miracle. :eek: I don't like using quick cut products, but the guy just wants it done quickly and looking OK.

Of course he is going to pay. To those who used the mentioned products, which two whould be recommended?
 
M105 cuts like a chain saw, it's wayyy overkill for mild swirls and oxidation, and it will require finish polishing. I would be hard pressed to recommend anything other than SIP on a white LC for that situation - it'll finish down more or less LSP ready on anything but black.
 
M105 is high cut and comes with only a single strong cut pad. The results in heavy defect removal that needs to be followed up by a second step.



The system 1 has lighter cut compound and has a two stage pad with strong and light cut. So you have a medium defect removal and the light cut side of the pad means it doesn't require additional products.



Surely you have some existing pads you could use?



If you need a bulk product to do big cars in a short period of time with decent results I'd buy a gallon of Meguiars #66 quick detailer. Its a medium cut, single step cleaner wax and adds protection. Use whatever you have now to apply it. Best results are with a random orbital and a cutting pad.



Its ideal for those cheap jobs that you have to turn over quickly.
 
I just got done trying system one with my own pads after wetsanding a black test panel. It is seems to leave an oily residue. Havent tried m105.
 
Hi Jon,

I haven't tried System One, but i've tried Meg's 105. As Timmah said, Meg's 105 is overkill for mild swirls and mild oxidation and it takes a bit of experience to get the optimum results. By this, i mean it takes a while to get used to the VERY short work time and the perfect amount of product to be used. Also, you need to add a second step, like the 3m Ultrafina to 'finish'. I would HIGHLY suggest Meg's 105 if you have time to do 2 steps and if moderate to severe paint correction is needed. If not, then a one step polish might be a better option.
 
If you go with M105, you will need a finishing polish. However you will get far more correction and in much less time. Because M105 only needs to be worked for 15 seconds, you could literaly fly around the car and make this process rather quick.



However, will need one additonal step and depending on the finish, maybe a third step in between.



X3 will do an okay job, but dusts like crazy and will not remove as many defects (and will take longer to remove less). But you can finish with it and produce an okay result.
 
The M105 has even more cut than #85 but with considerably less dust. It makes cutting a seriously messed up car, or in my case a ceramiclear Benz, a whole lot faster and easier.



Like Todd said, you will need to follow up a few steps after this. On lighter colors you can finish with a medium cutting polish like #83 or 106FF, and on darker colors you might need two steps, like those and followed by something like 85RD or Ultrafina.
 
Well it looks like I won't be needing any of the mentioned products. I have decided to decline working on this guy two limos and two other cars since he wants me to complete them overnight and only wants me to bill him. I prefer to get paid when services are completed, not in 30 days. :nono He claims he owns a business, so he should be able to pay for work needed on his cars. This guy must live on another planet to think someone will correct his paint in just a couple of days and let him take the cars home without paying after completion. What an idiot.
 
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