Looking for an all around compound/polish combo

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I have too many compounds and polishes. I am seeing good results from just Meguiars 205 and 105 and I think I might go that route to remove some extra steps that I feel overlap each other. Have any of you consolidated your "clearcoat repair" process?



The other thing that I wanted to hear opinions on is the brand specific pre-LSP polishes that we buy. I am always suckered in to buying Klasse AIO to go with the Klasse Sealent or the Blackfire polish to go with the Blackfire sealent etc. Basically the pre-LSP polish that the brand of LSP offers. I'm usally using this stuff after the Meguiars 105.



I wonder if Meguiars 105 is a good enough all around polish where I dont need to buy a bunch of different ones to match the brand of LSP I'm using. Will 105 work as well as everything else out there? Do I worry that the stars arent aligned if I dont use matching bottles? There could be 105 in a Blackfire polish bottle and I'm naive enough to beleive it makes the Blackfire LSP look better than the 105 in the Meguiars bottle.



I want to know if I should go with a pretty standard one product lineup for compounds/polishes/glazes and if I want to get picky and specific, buy 3-4 different LSP's.
 
For lsp's. i think it depends on what your customers want. Do they want a longer lasting sealant (more $ possibly) or do they want to save a little money and go with a wax, if you know what I mean?



-From what I was told by a detailer is not to have too many like products, you will eventually have your one or two go to items that you will always probably go to but you need to have a good assortment of aggressive and less aggressive products depending on the type of correction that is needed.
 
After 8 years of wasting money on stuff and spending most of my time with one or two things it has finally sunk in my head. I like to have alot of LSP's, even if it's wasteful and costly, I dont care it's what I want to do. To have the same attitude with paint correction products, I dont feel it's worth it.
 
I have wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant, poorboys ex-p, duragloss 105, 2x Wolfgang fuzion, 3x collinite 476, 3x collinite 845, p100, megs #26 tin. And I have only my little corolla, so I know what you mean.



Paint correction stuff, i dont think you (meaning in general) need to have every product out there but a few things for deeper imperfections, cleaners, fine swirl removers etc.. is good to have obviously.



105/205 seems to becoming popular. M83/M80 still is. Ultimate compound / swirl x is good for hobbyist/ consumers. I list megs stuff as that is what I am using along with Pinnacle xmt stuff but I am going to stick with just one line or manufactures products.
 
joed1228 said:
.. I wanted to hear opinions on is the brand specific pre-LSP polishes that we buy. I am always suckered in to buying Klasse AIO to go with the Klasse Sealent or the Blackfire polish to go with the Blackfire sealent etc. Basically the pre-LSP polish that the brand of LSP offers. I'm usally using this stuff after the Meguiars 105...
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I've been following M105 with my 3M PI-III stuff and/or 1Z polishes. Seems to work fine and I'm pretty demanding. I only use aggressive stuff like M105 when necessary. It's replaced stuff like 1Z Pasta Intensiv and Hi-Temp Extreme Cut (and in most, but not all cases, rocks-in-a-bottle stuff like 3M Extra Cut) for me.



Then I use milder polish(es) to get things to the point where I'm deciding between KAIO and other similar stuff, so don't forget this intermediate step.



I use KAIO before KSG, but also before other sealants. I don't think of it as a "polish" though as it seems functionally nonabrasive. I use Autoglym SRP before FK1000P and I simply *love* the combo (for that matter I really like SRP period). I use 1Z Pro MP before UPP. I like 1Z WPS before Collinite. So you can see that I don't necessarily stick with the "dedicated brand" pre-LSP/LSP combos by any means.



FWIW, I really like BF's pre-LSP polish (forget what they call it...I'm *not* referring to the rebranded Menzerna swirl remover). It adds a lot of oils and works great for me on matte/satin black stuff under the hood and on the undercarriage. I top it with BF just because I don't use BF for anything else.



I wonder if Meguiars 105 is a good enough all around polish where I dont need to buy a bunch of different ones to match the brand of LSP I'm using. Will 105 work as well as everything else out there? Do I worry that the stars arent aligned if I dont use matching bottles? There could be 105 in a Blackfire polish bottle and I'm naive enough to beleive it makes the Blackfire LSP look better than the 105 in the Meguiars bottle...
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IMO the M105 should be thought of as a very versatile *compound*, really for serious correction and/or hard paint. I wouldn't use it all the time, only when necessary. In my case that's once in a blue moon...hardly ever.



What you follow it with would be a matter of what mild/finishing polish you like to use and for *me* that's more a matter of the paint than whatever products I'm gonna use afterwards.



I want to know if I should go with a pretty standard one product lineup for compounds/polishes/glazes and if I want to get picky and specific, buy 3-4 different LSP's.
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For that idea, I'd buy the M105 for your "serious correction" product then some milder polishes (which to use would depend on the paint) and *then* your penultimate/LSP combos.
 
Oops I'm sorry, I meant if the 205 was good enough to use as the last step before any sealent or any wax. Klasse AIO just works so darn well, I can use it before anything and I think it helps as much or more than other final step polishes.
 
I typically use:

M105 Compound

M86 middle polish

M205 finishing polish



I use M21 2.0 for my LSP on a cleaned surface, but try to use M20 as a base coat after polishing just in case.



I use Ultimate Quik Wax between full waxes.



The nice thing about M105 is that you can use it on wool, polishing pads, or finishing pads to seriously vary your level of cut. It also works wonders on many metals and plastics!
 
I've gone down that road of many polishes and while I'm still narrowing down the list, I don't think I'll ever get a smaller list than M105, M83 (rarely), M80, M82, SIP, 106ff, FPII, PO85rd... Majority of the time it's M105, or SIP, followed by M80, followed by 106ff or M82 on harder paints, and FPII or 85rd on softer paints... so basically I have 4 of each Menz and Meg's polishes that I regularly use, although lately M80 has been used in almost every detail following M105 or on it's own for 1 or 2 step polishing...



I do plan on picking up M205 as I really think it's a great polish from what I've heard.



Ultimately though, I think I could get rid of 106ff and 85rd as M80 finishes down very well almost all the time, and when it doesn't FPII cleans it right up.



EDIT: As for KAIO and KSG.. KSG is by far my favorite LSP but I rarely use KAIO for any type of correction.. I use it VERY quickly on the PC and red LC pad to go over paint after polishing just to ensure a good bonding surface for KSG...
 
All I do is cut and polish my own paint jobs. I always start with a heavy

compound and a wool pad. The initial compounding step is around 80% of

the polishing job so the product needs to be efficient; not necessarily fast.

Meguiars M105 is good stuff but it cakes up my pad too quick and that's

a hassle. Mark V MV350 is my current favorite as it has a long work time,

doesn't clog my pads nearly as fast (cleans up easier too) and it finishes

down very nicely. Then it's either M205 or IP w/CCS white and UF w/CCS

black or blue. All at no more than 1500rpm on my Makita.



*M205 with CCS white is a very good combo. Lower rpm's and moderate pressure

I can remove stray 2000 grit sanding marks nicely.
 
Im new (compared to most here) to paint correction. Ive got the chance to use the m105/205 combo several times and im very impressed with its versatility. 105 hits quite nicely even on harder paints but the finish it leaves is almost unbelieveable. And you really can "dial-in" the amount of correction you want just by changing pads/pressure/speed. 205 is the same way. You can use it as a mild/medium polish or go with a really soft pad, bump your speed down low and use it like a finishing polish. 105/205 is by far my favorite combo to date. IMHO Meguiars really hit the mark with this one.
 
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