light swirls keep reappearing bmw!!!!!!! HELP PLEASE!!

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hey guys i wheels my jet black bmw with every polish on the market! i used a pc and a white pad! i recently did menzerna po106ff with the white pad! after two washes the swirls are back! it cant be new ones from washing the car can it? i mean i use the foam gun! leaf blower! and minimum wiping with a wafflw weave microfiber! i even have a sheepskin mitt! and the cars never dirty! the swirls reappear! what am i doing wrong????? the car looks great after i wheel it for 2 days! then bam there all there again! ive had it! what can i do????
 
So, you "wheeled" your car with a PC? Or a rotary? To be brief, yes, you could have marring that is not being removed by your "wheeling" and is being masked by the oils in your polishes. Yes, you also could be putting marring into your paint in the washing and drying process, even with a sheepskin mitt and drying mostly with a leaf blower. I have never had a black car, but some members talk about their soft black paint getting marred from looking at it the wrong way.
 
I highly recommend between stages to clean with isopropyl alcohol to check for swirls and micromarring. Are you keeping the pad nice and flat? Keeping the rpms down? You may need to finish with a random orbital if you're getting buffer trails.





John
 
You'd get a lot more responses if you posted this in the correct forum, which would either be machine polishing or car detailing. This forum is for general discussion of the business of professional detailing so your post won't get the attention it needs.



Take some pictures of your paint in the sun, get very specific about exactly what you are doing regarding polishing and post it in the proper forum and you will probably get not only more help but better answers too.
 
couple problems...



1- pc with white pad on bmw black - need to finish down with a much softer pad IMO

2- you wash your car - swirls are inevitable, especially on blacks

3- BMW BLACK paint - enough said



ok, jokes over....but having a black car, especially a soft black like BMW, is like a part time job if you daily drive it and want it perfected all the time...I suggest getting it good enough for you, and glazing it. You are going to drive yourself insane trying to keep it perfected all the time...or just don't drive it..
 
yep!!! the paint marrs if you press to hard on a microfiber! its insane! bmw jet black is the worst! when i polish it its great for two days until i wash it!
 
Next time you wash your car, use only one direction of movement. Wash the hood trunk/roof/hood front to back in straight lines and wash the sides in a verticale motion (up and down). If you see that all the marring is in straight lines then you know you just put it in.



If you find swirls reappearing (circular and not straight line) then you know that you are not actually removing them but rather masking them. With 106ff and portercable, make sure you are breaking the polish all the way down (it probably could take 3-5 minutes per application) otherwise that seems to lead to the masking problem, esp. on softer paints.
 
Same advice as above with the IPA wipe down. I also suggest adding at least 2 coats of a good sealant before you wax it as well. If the sealant is good (I use Optimum, Liquid Glass and some Porzelack Teflon sealant, I can highly recommend the Liquid Glass; it's old school stuff but after baking in the sun for a bit the stuff gets as hard as diamonds, hence the "glass" name) it should greatly help reduce scratches. Also, what year is your BMW and where was it made? I don't know about the BMW's in the States, but here in Europe the BMW finishes are rock hard (powder coated). They're a pain in the a$$ to polish too, because there's not a whole lot aside from a wool pad, heavy compound and high RPMs (I hit them at about 1,800) that will cut it. The PO106FF is the right polish to use if it's a post 2003 model, but you may want to switch to a rotary instead of a PC... I've never used a PC, but from what I understand about them, I'm not sure they're gonna get you where you wanna be with a BMW. Maybe that's the problem... you're just covering the swirls with polish and when you wash it they come back. Also, what LSP are you using?
 
i have a jet black BMW as well, and i find that i have to polish it about every 2 months with 106 and 85rd to keep it looking good. it's just that the paint is WAY too soft!
 
I have a Jet Black BMW also, finishing with RD85 and a gray or blue pad have been the only way I could get it hologram free. I wish I went with sapphire black, I can't believe how much easier it is to maintain. When washing and drying it I noticed even my softest microfibers caused minor swirling, so I purchased a CR spotless. It has allowed me to keep the car looking good with minimal risk of marring the paint. I I'll still have to polish probably every 3-4 months since some marring is inevitable from just touching the paint accidentally when its not clean or snow/ice when the car is dirty.



Btw, where in Jersey are you from?
 
toyotaguy said:
black BMW here are stupid soft...not hard
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Well I guess you guys have the opposite extremity there... why can't these stupid car manufacturers find a decent paint scheme?? Really, the lot of them are either too soft and you mar the paint with the paint you remove it or they're too hard and you can't remove the paint... pfft.
 
toyotaguy said:
black BMW here are stupid soft...not hard
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-MY- understanding is that BMW's use 3 different type of paint systems, and there is no rhyme or reason to them.



MOST Jet Black Bimmer's I have polished have been on the softer side, however I have had 2 Jet Black (one 3 series, one 5 series) that was EXTREMELY hard, almost to a ridicously degree.
 
TH0001 said:
-MY- understanding is that BMW's use 3 different type of paint systems, and there is no rhyme or reason to them.



MOST Jet Black Bimmer's I have polished have been on the softer side, however I have had 2 Jet Black (one 3 series, one 5 series) that was EXTREMELY hard, almost to a ridicously degree.
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From his Avatar it looks like he's got an E36 generation car. I've done quite a few early BMW's and every E36 I've ever worked on, even in Jet Black, has been pretty darn hard. The only exception being custom ordered paint to sample cars.



Even if it was softer like the modern Jet black we all know and love I don't think 106ff and a white pad via PC is going to be heavy enough to correct it. Still gonna need an orange pad and IP or SIP to even get going in the right direction which is gonna leave a hazed up mess that'll need to be cleaned up with various following stages.



Andy
 
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