Letter from Max at Autogeek.net

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Letter From Max...



First I would like to say that after this thread came to our attention, I chose to let it develop as it’s important to me to allow the various forum members to express themselves. Reading the comments has been a very interesting experience.



I’m a man of few words on the forum, I’m a business man and a car enthusiast and appreciate the value discussion forums have brought to the car industry in general, with that being said I have a lot of responsibilities that require my time and attention that take precedence as far as priorities go, that’s the hard reality of running a business.



I would like to make a few things clear, the Autogeek forum and the Autogeek ecommerce site are two different entities, with the help and support from my employees, we’ve grown from a humble beginning of 400 sq ft to 20,000 sq ft in just twelve years. Autogeek.net employs over two dozen people, which enables them to take care of their families and households even in a tough economy. We pack 6 days a week including nights, that is to say, we don’t take our customer’s for granted, we do everything we can to put them first as they are the reason for our success and we understand this. You have my word that all issues brought up will be addressed.



From a business point of view we understand we will have our supporters and non-supporters, it’s impossible to please 100% of the people 100% of the time, but we try and that’s what’s important at the end of the day.



I would like to thank those who have involved themselves in the Autogeek thread for bringing their opinions to the surface and sharing their feedback in a public forum, you can be assured I’ve read all your comments and have learned more about each person that has shared their opinions. This type of communication helps us to grow and have a more successful forum by taking your feedback to heart and making corrections to insure we avoid mistakes in the future and do a much better job of handling problems in a timelier manner. We have created a successful business and we now hope to create just as a successful forum.



I have 40 years experience in the business industry and I know the value of listening to your customers is vitally important. I would like to point out that we started out as primarily a manufacture and reseller of car care products company not a forum company, yet we do our best to provide both services. In the past few years we started to build a forum from ground up and now we have a large group of members that participate in our online car care community. Even though this controversy was started from a person that has bought from us one time according to our records, I want to personally apologize David Fermani for the way my company has handled his situation. I still value each and ever customer’s opinion, and I will work on making sure this does not happen again. At the same time, my years of experience have also taught me to keep a watchful eye out for people and companies that may have their own agendas that may or may not be positive towards my business or even my counterparts in this industry as I’ve seen both.





In summary, I want to thank everyone that has participated in this issue for making AutogeekOnline as successful as our Ecommerce site. I hope this answers any questions. No further comments on my part will be made as I’ve stated, we’ve learned a lot from reading your comments and have implemented changes. Hope to see as many of you as possible in person at Detail Fest!



If you have further questions you can e-mail me at Max@Autogeek.net
 
Meghan@Autogeek said:
Letter From Max...



First I would like to say that after this thread came to our attention, I chose to let it develop as it’s important to me to allow the various forum members to express themselves. Reading the comments has been a very interesting experience.



I’m a man of few words on the forum, I’m a business man and a car enthusiast and appreciate the value discussion forums have brought to the car industry in general, with that being said I have a lot of responsibilities that require my time and attention that take precedence as far as priorities go, that’s the hard reality of running a business.



I would like to make a few things clear, the Autogeek forum and the Autogeek ecommerce site are two different entities, with the help and support from my employees, we’ve grown from a humble beginning of 400 sq ft to 20,000 sq ft in just twelve years. Autogeek.net employs over two dozen people, which enables them to take care of their families and households even in a tough economy. We pack 6 days a week including nights, that is to say, we don’t take our customer’s for granted, we do everything we can to put them first as they are the reason for our success and we understand this. You have my word that all issues brought up will be addressed.



From a business point of view we understand we will have our supporters and non-supporters, it’s impossible to please 100% of the people 100% of the time, but we try and that’s what’s important at the end of the day.



I would like to thank those who have involved themselves in the Autogeek thread for bringing their opinions to the surface and sharing their feedback in a public forum, you can be assured I’ve read all your comments and have learned more about each person that has shared their opinions. This type of communication helps us to grow and have a more successful forum by taking your feedback to heart and making corrections to insure we avoid mistakes in the future and do a much better job of handling problems in a timelier manner. We have created a successful business and we now hope to create just as a successful forum.



I have 40 years experience in the business industry and I know the value of listening to your customers is vitally important. I would like to point out that we started out as primarily a manufacture and reseller of car care products company not a forum company, yet we do our best to provide both services. In the past few years we started to build a forum from ground up and now we have a large group of members that participate in our online car care community. Even though this controversy was started from a person that has bought from us one time according to our records, I want to personally apologize David Fermani for the way my company has handled his situation. I still value each and ever customer’s opinion, and I will work on making sure this does not happen again. At the same time, my years of experience have also taught me to keep a watchful eye out for people and companies that may have their own agendas that may or may not be positive towards my business or even my counterparts in this industry as I’ve seen both.





In summary, I want to thank everyone that has participated in this issue for making AutogeekOnline as successful as our Ecommerce site. I hope this answers any questions. No further comments on my part will be made as I’ve stated, we’ve learned a lot from reading your comments and have implemented changes. Hope to see as many of you as possible in person at Detail Fest!



If you have further questions you can e-mail me at Max@Autogeek.net





While I kept out of that thread, it was clear why he did what he did. Agenda is right!!!!
 
Unless someone here is a reseller of a product, or has a friend / relative who is a reseller (a retail business like AG is), I fail to see how us, the consumers, can really have "our own agenda".
 
tdekany said:
While I kept out of that thread, it was clear why he did what he did. Agenda is right!!!!



Lot of wolves in sheeps clothing around here lately. Quite a few that are less than subtle.
 
WAS said:
Unless someone here is a reseller of a product, or has a friend who is a reseller (a retail business like AG is), I fail to see how us, the consumers, can really have "our own agenda".



BINGO!..........
 
gmblack3a said:
What about your agenda Thomas? :think:





My agenda?



Do you mean to tell me that David didn't know the answer? Doesn't TODD HELMES works for CMA?



You guys should stop playing games. It is a cheap way to try to get people to leave AG and switch to CMA.



FYI, I will never buy from CMA.
 
gmblack3a said:
Thomas, Since you have no friends, I guess I can't accuse you of having an agenda. My bad,



I'll bite this one time and after that I will report your post to me to the ADMIN.



Think about what you just wrote.



1- We do not know each other. How would you even have a clue wether I do or do not have any friends? I mean what are you? A 2 year old?



2 - your purpose of deraling my point by acting like an id..t will not work with me.



Todd, (thank god he is kept under control here on autopia) you and David run around like little girls as soon as someone doesn't agree with your point of view and attack. It makes me laugh.

Or do you guys get free products???? lol!!!!!

Back to my point - Why would David question AG's stand on what the product really is or isn't? Since Todd has all the info from CMA one would need to know, why cause trouble? What was David's agenda?



Do you also want me to mention how he steers people to CMA on the Vette forum?



While it doesn't make any difference to me personally, hopefully people will see what is really going on here.
 
Meghan@Autogeek said:
Letter From Max...



First I would like to say that after this thread came to our attention, I chose to let it develop as it’s important to me to allow the various forum members to express themselves. Reading the comments has been a very interesting experience.



I’m a man of few words on the forum, I’m a business man and a car enthusiast and appreciate the value discussion forums have brought to the car industry in general, with that being said I have a lot of responsibilities that require my time and attention that take precedence as far as priorities go, that’s the hard reality of running a business.



I would like to make a few things clear, the Autogeek forum and the Autogeek ecommerce site are two different entities, with the help and support from my employees, we’ve grown from a humble beginning of 400 sq ft to 20,000 sq ft in just twelve years. Autogeek.net employs over two dozen people, which enables them to take care of their families and households even in a tough economy. We pack 6 days a week including nights, that is to say, we don’t take our customer’s for granted, we do everything we can to put them first as they are the reason for our success and we understand this. You have my word that all issues brought up will be addressed.



From a business point of view we understand we will have our supporters and non-supporters, it’s impossible to please 100% of the people 100% of the time, but we try and that’s what’s important at the end of the day.



I would like to thank those who have involved themselves in the Autogeek thread for bringing their opinions to the surface and sharing their feedback in a public forum, you can be assured I’ve read all your comments and have learned more about each person that has shared their opinions. This type of communication helps us to grow and have a more successful forum by taking your feedback to heart and making corrections to insure we avoid mistakes in the future and do a much better job of handling problems in a timelier manner. We have created a successful business and we now hope to create just as a successful forum.



I have 40 years experience in the business industry and I know the value of listening to your customers is vitally important. I would like to point out that we started out as primarily a manufacture and reseller of car care products company not a forum company, yet we do our best to provide both services. In the past few years we started to build a forum from ground up and now we have a large group of members that participate in our online car care community. Even though this controversy was started from a person that has bought from us one time according to our records, I want to personally apologize David Fermani for the way my company has handled his situation. I still value each and ever customer’s opinion, and I will work on making sure this does not happen again. At the same time, my years of experience have also taught me to keep a watchful eye out for people and companies that may have their own agendas that may or may not be positive towards my business or even my counterparts in this industry as I’ve seen both.





In summary, I want to thank everyone that has participated in this issue for making AutogeekOnline as successful as our Ecommerce site. I hope this answers any questions. No further comments on my part will be made as I’ve stated, we’ve learned a lot from reading your comments and have implemented changes. Hope to see as many of you as possible in person at Detail Fest!



If you have further questions you can e-mail me at Max@Autogeek.net





Max –

Thank you for taking the time to single me out beyond the numerous complaints & follow your apology with an insult on my character. It is unfortunate that I just read that letter, I was hoping for a heartfelt, honest, and perhaps earnest response. Instead I feel my name has just been dragged through the mud by false innuendos and direct shots at my creditability. While it is unfortunate that this is the approach you have taken, it is not shocking. Attacking creditability and twisting information is the exact reason I started my previous thread, and ironically what you apologized for. As my agenda was clearly stated in the prior locked thread, I would like to know what offense that I did and/or rule did I break that was bannable from your forum? As a former customer & contributor to your business I feel let down that I have not received an answer after multiple requests.



Unfortunately any discussion of controversy or hidden agendas fall upon deaf ears when your lack of acknowledgement of the fact that I tried to contact your people on numerous occasions occurred. I did everything within reasonable expectations to contact your Managers privately, as I would certainly never let a simple misunderstanding cause so much public embarrassment to you. The predictable attack on my integrity is why I find your apology hallow and unacceptable. In response to the comments that your records indicate that I only have 1 purchase, your forum which you state remains a separate entity from your business, has acknowledged my visit to your business on 2 occasions to purchase products. Beyond this I regularly purchased products at your sister store; The Driver Seat (Boca/WPB/Boynton) and they have always treated me very well. It is sad that you/they will never receive another dime from me because of this blatant attack on my integrity; which is where I draw the line with any business.



I know some people draw conclusions based on preconceived or personal agendas; which is why everything I have stated is factual. It would be sad if you missed the opportunity to improve the areas of your business that need work because of self ingested delusions founded on questions of my integrity.



Best of luck -



David Fermani
 
tdekany said:
I'll bite this one time and after that I will report your post to me to the ADMIN.



Think about what you just wrote.



1- We do not know each other. How would you even have a clue wether I do or do not have any friends? I mean what are you? A 2 year old?



2 - your purpose of deraling my point by acting like an id..t will not work with me.



Todd, (thank god he is kept under control here on autopia) you and David run around like little girls as soon as someone doesn't agree with your point of view and attack. It makes me laugh.

Or do you guys get free products???? lol!!!!!

Back to my point - Why would David question AG's stand on what the product really is or isn't? Since Todd has all the info from CMA one would need to know, why cause trouble? What was David's agenda?



Do you also want me to mention how he steers people to CMA on the Vette forum?



While it doesn't make any difference to me personally, hopefully people will see what is really going on here.



Thomas, I used to think you where ok till you blew things out of proportion when you had a disagreement with someone here.



Its your hate that destroys you and respect that professional detailers once had for you. I received 2 texts and an email from other professional detailers wondering why you would make your initial post in this thread.



I would imagine that David knew the information stated was incorrect, he professionally disagreed and was banned.



If it does not make a difference to you personally, then why are you posting?
 
gmblack3a said:
Thomas, Since you have no friends, I guess I can't accuse you of having an agenda. My bad,



Thomas is my friend, I've spoken to him on the phone a few times. Really nice guy. It is a shame you resort to personal attacks on people, as you and your little clique have on me in the past.
 
Scottwax said:
Thomas is my friend, I've spoken to him on the phone a few times. Really nice guy. It is a shame you resort to personal attacks on people, as you and your little clique have on me in the past.



Scott, I remember how you and your 2 buddies consorted to get someone banned here.



Again it was all about hate.



You acted like you did not have anything to do with it here, but then you were exposed when someone sifted thru your 60,000 posts over on offtopic to find the truth.



Autopia-Scottwax Mr Innocent with 25,000 posts.

Offtopic-Scottwax Mr Hate showing off to his millions of minions that he is the man while posting over 60,000 times.

Reality-Loss of respect by many at Autopia, i.e. no longer the man. :nixweiss
 
gmblack3a said:
Scott, I remember how you and your 2 buddies consorted to get someone banned here.



Again it was all about hate.



You acted like you did not have anything to do with it here, but then you were exposed when someone sifted thru your 60,000 posts over on offtopic to find the truth.



Autopia-Scottwax Mr Innocent with 25,000 posts.

Offtopic-Scottwax Mr Hate showing off to his millions of minions that he is the man while posting over 60,000 times.

Reality-Loss of respect by many at Autopia, i.e. no longer the man. :nixweiss



At the time on Autopia, I couldn't speak my mind like I could on OT. If the rules were the same then as they were now (which allows discussions to continue if they don't get too nasty), everything would have been posted here.



The reality is you and your little clique have had it out for me for a long time and you've continued your personal vendetta against me on and off for several years. I think you are a great detailer but IMO you are a pretty rotten person to people who don't walk lock-step with you and your buddies with regards to products and techniques.



I've had my differences with others on this board but you are the only person I genuinely dislike. That being said, you are still welcome to join and post on OT and speak your mind.
 
I really don’t feel comfortable posting on this thread (because of it’s nature) but I do want to make something crystal clear. Myself, and thus the company I work for, has had ZERO input on this whatsoever. I am very corrigible with a lot of people from Autogeek and have several people who work there that I consider friends. They know who they are and most importantly they should know who I am. I will also state that the one person in particular that I am speaking of is a good friend, we have had conversations about family, beliefs, and ideals, and I look up to him in many ways (and have never been shy about expressing it).



This entire circumstance puts me in the worst possible situation as I see two friends who are on different sides of the fence, and oh yeah, I work for a competitor… I would have assumed stay as far away from this as possible, and hopefully help two friends mend fences… I did not expect to see my name brought up because I have had ZERO to do with this although I did mention to David (the only time we ever talked about this, and very briefly) that he should consider deleting it because no good will come of it.



So any suggestion about my character or any influence I have had is ridiculous and constitutes slander. The nature of the internet is that it allows people to post their opinions as facts while never giving any proof. Those who know me will laugh at these statements and others who don't know me won't. In the end these are the only peoples opinions (to me) that matter.



To be honest I will take the statement that ‘I am under control’ as a compliment because I have tried hard to learn from mistakes I have made as part of my maturing process. I have learned how to value those opinions who I hold dear and how to ignore those who I don’t. I have no interest in approaching middle age (and beyond) arguing with people on how they do things or taking the little time I have to cyber fight the losing battle of internet perception. We are all victims of the prisons we create and life is too short… There is a saying you cannot win an internet argument and unfortunately it took me a while to figure it out for myself.



PS I hope I am not alone in wishing that all posts after Max’s are deleted and this thread is locked.
 
Scottwax said:
'Sup Todd. Good to see you back. :wavey



I would post and say hello and that it is nice to see you but... I would rather see this whole mess disappear. :D



But Hello and thank you
:clap:
 
TH0001 said:
I really don’t feel comfortable posting on this thread (because of it’s nature) but I do want to make something crystal clear. Myself, and thus the company I work for, has had ZERO input on this whatsoever. I am very corrigible with a lot of people from Autogeek and have several people who work there that I consider friends. They know who they are and most importantly they should know who I am. I will also state that the one person in particular that I am speaking of is a good friend, we have had conversations about family, beliefs, and ideals, and I look up to him in many ways (and have never been shy about expressing it).



This entire circumstance puts me in the worst possible situation as I see two friends who are on different sides of the fence, and oh yeah, I work for a competitor… I would have assumed stay as far away from this as possible, and hopefully help two friends mend fences… I did not expect to see my name brought up because I have had ZERO to do with this although I did mention to David (the only time we ever talked about this, and very briefly) that he should consider deleting it because no good will come of it.



So any suggestion about my character or any influence I have had is ridiculous and constitutes slander. The nature of the internet is that it allows people to post their opinions as facts while never giving any proof. Those who know me will laugh at these statements and others who don't know me won't. In the end these are the only peoples opinions (to me) that matter.



To be honest I will take the statement that ‘I am under control’ as a compliment because I have tried hard to learn from mistakes I have made as part of my maturing process. I have learned how to value those opinions who I hold dear and how to ignore those who I don’t. I have no interest in approaching middle age (and beyond) arguing with people on how they do things or taking the little time I have to cyber fight the losing battle of internet perception. We are all victims of the prisons we create and life is too short… There is a saying you cannot win an internet argument and unfortunately it took me a while to figure it out for myself.



PS I hope I am not alone in wishing that all posts after Max’s are deleted and this thread is locked.

That was very well said. I have no personal opinion on anyone here, as my only interaction with any of you is my <1 year on this forum. That said, the original discussion was about a company, a situation that came up, and how that company handled it. How, or why, personal attacks came into this, I'm not sure. I don't think any posts should be deleted, or that this thread be locked, but I would hope that the personal attacks can stop and we can simply discuss the matter at hand, a company's response to a rather precarious issue.
 
TH0001 said:
There is a saying you cannot win an internet argument and unfortunately it took me a while to figure it out for myself.



No, but one can sure make bots to spam a server to increase view point :funnypost
 
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