Klasse SG and micro scratches

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jaim

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I now have about 8 coats of Klasse SG.



I intended to have this number of coats to know if indeed Klasse SG layers and if it does... can it protect the paint surface from micro scratches?



ANSWER: YES, YES, YES!



I located some very minor scratches on my paint surface and tried applying Klasse AIO (which suppose to remove the Klasse SG) and it did. The micro scratches vanished... not believing what I saw, I tried it again to 10 or more minor scratches and it did remove the minor scratches.



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Jaim- Glad to hear it! That "sacrificial layer" stuff isn't bs after all, huh? I'm with you, lotsa layers of SG- let THEM take the abuse, not your paint :xyxthumbs
 
I've removed a lot of surface imperfections just by removing the layer of whatever is on top. I'm with you guys with that "sacrificial layer" line. I think that it will help to an extent. You just need lots of em. ;)
 
Heh heh, I've noticed that Jngrbrdman and I seem to (actually) agree on more topics than I sometimes think at first blush (my weird treatment of exterior trim notwithstanding) :D :cool:
 
Thank you for sharing this experience Jaim! :xyxthumbs



I'll have to remember this thread for future reference as people occasionally ask if this really happens. I know people have mentioned it in the Archives (somewhere) but it's good to have a real thread to point to. :D



Also thanks for reminding me of why I love LAYERS. :spot
 
So what exactly has been proved here?



1. Thats the micro scratches are in the layers of SG? or



2. That AIO does what it claims to do and that is hide micro scratches?



Did I miss something?



If you wanted to prove point 1) above them you should strip the SG with something other than AIO.
 
JB in Irvine,



Based from my actual experience, I can conclude the following:



1. That Klasse SG "do layer" and can serve as a "sacrificial layer" against micro scratches.



2. That Klasse AIO is "not capable" of hiding micro scratches but rather highlight the micro scratches even more.



When I used the Klasse AIO on top of a scratched Klasse SG surface, the Klasse AIO removed the layer of Klasse SG whcih has the micro scratch thus, it is no longer present.
 
JB in Irvine



Quote:

"If you wanted to prove point 1) above them you should strip the SG with something other than AIO."



Very good point, I just tried now using a water dilluted isopropil alcohol (50/50) to remove Klasse SG and I did get the same result but the paint surface got dull .



:eek:
 
jaim said:
JB in Irvine,



Based from my actual experience, I can conclude the following:



1. That Klasse SG "do layer" and can serve as a "sacrificial layer" against micro scratches.



2. That Klasse AIO is "not capable" of hiding micro scratches but rather highlight the micro scratches even more.



When I used the Klasse AIO on top of a scratched Klasse SG surface, the Klasse AIO removed the layer of Klasse SG whcih has the micro scratch thus, it is no longer present.
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I agree that SG layers, but I find your comments on AIO, do not match with the definition of the product:



http://www.autopia-carcare.com/klasalcarpol.html



AIO is designed to remove minor swirl marks and in fact contains the same acrylic sealant that is in SG.



So regardless of where the micro scratches are (clear coat or SG) it stands to reason that the AIO is going to either remove them or fill them (with the same acrylic sealant that is in SG)



The key point is, are the layers of SG stopping micro scratches from getting through to the clear coat? My guess is they are.



I just think a better test would be to strip a section of the SG away with a citrus degreaser to see.
 
JB in Irvine,



Quote:

"AIO is designed to remove minor swirl marks and in fact contains the same acrylic sealant that is in SG.



So regardless of where the micro scratches are (clear coat or SG) it stands to reason that the AIO is going to either remove them or fill them (with the same acrylic sealant that is in SG)"





From my experience Klasse AIO do not hide / remove micro swirlmarks at all.
 
jaim's experience is consistent with what has been said of AIO. AIO has never really been known to do much other than gentle pre-cleaning and the amount of protection it applies is minimal. It also does not usually do much for swirls (removing or hiding). Even though sales literature will say AIO will do blah blah blah, it's not what people like resident Klasse expert Jngrbrdman have experienced (and remember "light swirls" can be very light indeed).



50/50 IPA should be strong enough to strip off Klasse I believe.
 
I too find AIO tends to ACCENTUATE marring, rather than remove it. That's by hand and RO, others have had different results with rotaries.



I've found EVERY example of ad-copy for AIO to be, well, typical ad-copy. All-In-One is the name, so the description is gonna match...I like the stuff, just bought more, and IMO most every detailer should have some (or an equivalent product) on hand.



BUT, it's like any other "Swiss army knife approach" to anything.
 
Thanks for the great info on AIO.



Only used it on my alloys, followed by SG. So I have not had a chance to check how it works on the paintwork.



But this topic has started making me think more and more about using AIO and SG on the paint work of my Boxster.



I show my car and my main concern is having something tougher on the paintwork to resist chips and scratches. I just had the front half of the car resprayed....and the car is just 18 mths old...and I use a Bra for trips etc.



So I'm thinking of layering SG to provide a base of protection.



I have in the past used:

#9

3M IHG

P21S wax



So is AIO isn't going to help withmicro scratches them I assume I would use #9 before AIO? But can 3M IHG continued to be used as well? Will SG bond over the top if it?
 
JB in Irvine said:
.. I'm thinking of layering SG to provide a base of protection.



I have in the past used:

#9

3M IHG

P21S wax



So is AIO isn't going to help withmicro scratches them I assume I would use #9 before AIO? But can 3M IHG continued to be used as well? Will SG bond over the top if it?
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Yeah, get the swirls OUT first. No, you can't keep using IHG, but you won't need it. Layers of SG will provide protection like you just can't imagine until you try it. If you wash carefully, you won't have a swirl problem any more.
 
JB, a lot of these questions have been covered in the past AD NAUSEUM, a search or two such as "klasse IHG" and "klasse curing" probably would answer both questions for you.
 
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