I'm not understanding using VM/RMG under a sealant

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I see people using VM/EX-P/Nattys, etc. all the time, but I was under the impression that VM was a glaze that left a lot of oils/fillers behind, and was primarily meant to be used under a Carnauba (CMW, etc.) Wouldn't a pure sealant like EX-P or UPP not bond to a surface just gone over with VM/RMG?



I am by no means an expert, but logically, it seems one would use a polish of their choice (say, SSR or Optimum) then VM OR RMG (why do I see both used sometimes?), then YCW, then CMW (carnauba).



I just don't see how a sealant can come into play here. What am I missing?



EDIT- I see now that RMG does not contain wax or silicones. But what about VM? What kind of glaze doesn't have fillers in it?
 
EX-P is compatible with oil based glazes as well as non-oily final polishes like AIO. Whether or not durablity is somewhat compromised, I can't tell you but I haven't noticed using EX-P over VM gives poor durability.
 
I plan on using EX-P x2 over RMG my question is do I have to give the RMG any time to cure? I know I have to let the EX-P cure for a few days before I can apply my wax.
 
Unless a product was specifically designed to work with the components of another product, there is always a chance that durability will be compromised. Of course, there's always a chance that they may work together simply by luck, or trial and error.



My guess would be that the durability would be sacrificed in most cases.
 
im_wicked247 said:
I plan on using EX-P x2 over RMG my question is do I have to give the RMG any time to cure? I know I have to let the EX-P cure for a few days before I can apply my wax.
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RMG is a glaze, it has no recommended cure time.
 
VM works very well with quite a variety of sealants. This is all kind of mystery, but who cares if you lose 20% durability when your constantly maintaining anyway......Now come wintertime :grrr , when your after protection as opossed to "best looking on the block", skip the glaze. Go for your normal routine, come "thaw" season.....Now being in Ca , I dont have to worry about that !

I like VM better then the RMG, however RMG looks great on dark colors, that are already in pretty good shape....I give a slight edge to VM for cleaning though, but both are actually very good on all colors....
 
VM & RMG add important ingrediants sp to make the car give off a deep shine. Most of the products are called Glazes.



McGuire's says "Meguiar's Trade Secret Polishing Oils

The trade secret oils Meguiar's uses in both types of polishes are unique to the industry and to this day have never been surpassed for creating deep, dark reflections and brilliant high gloss by any of our competitors in over 100 years.



The oils Meguiar's uses are also important in maintaining the original condition of the paint by filling in the naturally occurring microscopic pores and surface imperfections thus preventing detrimental substances and elements as simple as water, or worse, acid-rain, from entering into these pores and microscopic surface imperfections thus causing oxidation and chemical etching. These oils act to replace the original resins as they wear away through natural processes.



When paint is new, it is the most impermeable it will ever be, this means it is a very smooth non-porous, continuous film. With age, exposure to the environment and micro-scratching caused by day-in, day-out wear and tear, your paint develops micro-fissures in the surface along with other defects. These micro-fissures and other defects act to make the continuous film or coating of paint more porous. As this happens, your car's finish becomes more vulnerable to corrosive elements that will attack and degrade your finish.





Remember, waxes, synthetic or otherwise, are meant to be Sacrificial Barriers with the intended purpose sealing the surface, while blocking those things that would attack your paint, from coming into direct contact with the paint."
 
PS .......... I use Menzena PO85RD for cleaning the RMG as my glaze, and Pinicile Sourveran or Natty's Blue as my LSP wax. The quick detail spray in between like clearcoats quickshine.
 
I guess I'll throw in my input. I used to love Vanilla Moose and what it did to dark colors, but I always found that whenever I used it, that particular combo wouldn't last more than a couple weeks! No matter what I used on top of it (EX, EX-P, Wolfgang, CMW), durability was horrible. I used the VM+CMW combo on a green Camry and I seriously only got about 2 or 3 weeks of durability. I decided to remove the VM from the combos and now durability is excellent.



I must not be the norm when it comes to this, but I really feel VM dramatically affects the durability of your wax or sealant. I have now reserved VM for door jams, wheels, exhaust tips, windows, chrome, engines parts, etc. Now I will say it did make the paint look fabulous for those couple of weeks, but that is just not practical for me.
 
Would I get the same results applying EX-P by hand or would the results be better using a Porter Cable?

Same questions regarding the Natty's blue.
 
I apply the ex's by pc because I can get them on thinner, so they're easier to remove - looks the same by hand, though. I always do nattys by hand, so I don't know if it looks better by PC, but I doubt it.
 
Scottwax said:
EX-P is compatible with oil based glazes as well as non-oily final polishes like AIO. Whether or not durablity is somewhat compromised, I can't tell you but I haven't noticed using EX-P over VM gives poor durability.
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As is CG's Extreme Top Coat Sealant. :cooleek:
 
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