I'm a beginner Detailing in the sun, can I use Menzerna

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newbiebimmer

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Hi guys,



I've read a few hundred threads and just am now addicted!



I'm actually having spoiledman come over next week to detail one of my cars (can't decide which one yet, but I think the white Q7) but more importantly to really teach me how to detail/paint correct/polish/remove swirls etc.



To that end, I'm buying all my equipment, and I already ahve the ultima starter kit. I'm pretty sure ultima pgp is the product for me as I want less work, more results :)



I am though going to chemical guys and i have a whole list of things to buy including a UDM quick detailers, pads, etc.



Getting to my question is that I DO NOT have a garage, and park my cars in the driveway. I want to be able to detail my cars, as well as when I go to my parents/brothers/friends and help them fix up their cars.



I was going to order the Menzerna IP and Nano, but want to get everyone's advice on which polishes. These seem like the best all arounds, but as a beginner and having to do my details in my driveway with no sun protection, is it going to be a nightmare?



Or should I spend even more money and get a popup canopy? If so, where?



Ideally I'd like to find one that is beginner friendly and sun friendly.

Thanks!
 
Menzerna can dry out fast. If you are strictly working in the sun with barely any shade at all. I would try to get your hands on Optimum/Clearkote. Works great in the sun.



If you do get some shade and such, Menzerna would def. be the way to go.
 
I have used both SIP and 106ff in the direct Miami sun with little affect on performance. Infact, both products (because of thier parrfin wax lubrication) work better with a little heat on them.
 
I highly recommend finding some good shade if using Menzerna. IP will dry out and already dusts a bit when used indoors, I tried only once using in the shade/mild sun and gave up. It was a mess and unworkable.



I do not have experience with Optimum but hear it has long work time. Poorboys on the other hand i have used both indoors and out and it works well. Keep in mind nothing will work perfect in direct sunlight, just OK. Definitely invest in some shade solution. I have a black car and the hint of being out of the garage for polish the paint gets too warm and polishes start to get too finicky.
 
Pop up canopy will be your best friend. I would suggest working in smaller sections if you're in direct sunlight. PoorBoys can be used in the sun (speaking from experience).
 
You can get some canopies at pep boys and sometimes costco if you need to pick up something local. If not for the car, think of yourself. Spending hours on a detail in the full sun quite frankly sucks.
 
Those EZUp.com ones are pretty expensive now that I look at them, but they might be better quality and construction. But if you want to try one out, you can go to like Wal-Mart and get one of theirs and see how you like the idea of a canopy for your car. They are definately cheaper, don't know how well they hold up, but Wal-Mart has a gracious return policy, so if you don't like it you can return it, no hassle with having to order online or shipping it back or anything. Here are some links I found. I think I'll give the Wal-Mart ones a try in the future first, instead of opting for the cheapest 10x10 EZUp which is $200.



Quik Shade Weekender 10' x 10' Instant Canopy, Blue - Wal-Mart

Quik Shade Weekender 12' x 12' Instant Canopy, Blue - Wal-Mart

Quik Shade Recreational 12' x 12' Instant Canopy, Blue - Wal-Mart
 
I was thinking of going the canopy route (as I have to do all my polishing outside), but someone posted that the smaller canopies are useless unless the sun is directly overhead. There just isn't enough shade generated by the canopy size to cover the majority of sun angles. That makes sense.



If you do get a canopy, you may need to go more than 10 x 10. And make sure that the legs can be held down on the ground. :)
 
SpoiledMan said:
Where does this come from? I understand that to *not* be true.
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I'm not going to mention names (you wouldn't know him anyways) but I have been talking with a gentleman who is developing new polishes.



That said, it makes perfect sense. This is why the Menzerna bleeds out, and swirls/holograms have been reappearing on cars 2-3 months after they have been detailed.



That also makes sense why the Menzerna SRC polishes work well with a lot of heat, or why SIP works better if you work it in first before bringing the RPM up. Menzerna SRC's feature a ton of fillers, I (as well as very respected others) have seen this occur on more then several occasions.



I'm also curious as to where you information came from to rebute this? I have a couple people who have sworn up and down this is the case (apparently a lot of polishes use a parrfin wax so its not uncommon).
 
TH0001 said:
I'm also curious as to where you information came from to rebute this? I have a couple people who have sworn up and down this is the case (apparently a lot of polishes use a parrfin wax so its not uncommon).
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Menzerna USA. Guess who I believe.
 
TH0001 said:
This is why the Menzerna bleeds out, and swirls/holograms have been reappearing on cars 2-3 months after they have been detailed.



Menzerna SRC's feature a ton of fillers
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I have NEVER seen this or heard any Menzerna users voice this...
 
Yeah, I polish my own cars with it and haven't seen it. It's not happening with *any* of the cars that I see on the regular as well.
 
newbiebimmer said:
So is it a clear yes, it's ok to use Menzerna in the sun if I have to? :)



I'll look for a canopy at costco this weekend too though.
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I bought a 10x12 canopy from Dicks Sporting goods (Made by quest)... Can't remember exactly how much $ but I know it was under a hundred.



As luck would have it EVERY detail I have booked since then has had a garage I can use...
 
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