A while back I suggested that the Mother's clay package was a rip-off because they make you buy several items just to get the clay. Since then I purchased the Pinnacle clay (3-bar package). The Mother's clay seems far superior to me and worth the cost of the kit. The pinnacle clay just seems to fall apart in my hands. After rubbing for a minute there is a hole where I was pressing and the clay just seems to break-up. I am still using the Mother's clay bar that I originally complained about to this day. The pinnacle stuff is sitting in the garage.