I Need Some Opinions On This!

Beemerboy

Just One More Coat
I want to know what time frame dose a customer have to come back and complain about the detail?

Meaning quality of work, something that you put on the car and maybe a delayed reaction, etc.

I have one that is coming back to me with a LIST of issues on a car that I did. I will post his replies once I clean up some personal data, and hear what some of you have to say!

Thanks I a m greatly troubled by this as I have not received this many complains on any car in over 30 years of detailing.

In fact I've not received this many complains period in all the cars that I have worked on, collectively.
 
dave i wouldnt sweat it too much ..i would say if he is asking too much to refund his money and get rid of him .. we know you do great work ..dont let this person bring you down .. they probably cause trouble everywhere they go ..ive had a few problems with people that get partial repaint job from a cheapo shop then bring me the mess and then it bubbles or something and im the bad guy because they tried to save a few bucks .. im interested to see the demands ..
 
dave i wouldnt sweat it too much ..i would say if he is asking too much to refund his money and get rid of him .. we know you do great work ..dont let this person bring you down .. they probably cause trouble everywhere they go ..ive had a few problems with people that get partial repaint job from a cheapo shop then bring me the mess and then it bubbles or something and im the bad guy because they tried to save a few bucks .. im interested to see the demands ..

Ron,

Thanks he is not asking for money back, I'm headed for the dinner table and will post directly after that.

Trust me I'm not worried about this guys email, just bothered by his accusations of my work more than anything
 
Hi Dave,

I hope all is going well.

While you did a really nice job on cleaning the car's interior, I'm writing to let you know of issues that have come up since my car was detailed at your home. They seem to stem from the interior protectant used; here are the details:

In speaking with you on the phone, and when dropping off the car, I had requested a matte finish and a minimal protectant used as I don't like the slippery, high gloss look of some protectants, similar to the results seen when using armour all.

On the weekend that the detail work was performed, I didn't feel it was worth complaining at the time (figuring that there will be plenty of detailings in the future where the issues can be rectified), but I was initially disappointed about the type & amount of protectant applied to the car's interior in a number of places:

1: You'd mentioned that you sprayed some protectant into the vents, saying that I'd like the scent of it in the interior. That is not something I would want or ask for. -On newer models such as this, there are sensors inside the vents for temperature, CO2, etc so spraying a protectant down into the vents is not recommended. That night, driving with the top down after picking up the car, with the heat turnd up high, the climate control was cycling on full, then shutting off, over and over as we drove …not sure if that's was a result of protectant on one of the sensors, and we haven't tried to replicate it since, but thought you should know about the concern. Having had the car for 18 month we are familiar with the behaviors of the climate control system and this was not how the system normally performs..

2: There's a 1/2" gap here the rear deck lid meets the seatbacks there was a wet "sludge" of protectant mixed with dirt that would come off on your finger if you ran it along that edge.

3: The rubber floor mats were coated with a thick layer of protectant, to the point where they couldn't really be handled. - I stacked them in my garage with the intent to scrub them down later with soap and water.


Since then a handful of issues have come up that are serious and I feel compelled to address today. -The principal issue is how this protectant has "dried" and the result from it drying/hardening:

About 3 weeks ago, I noticed that the BMW roundel on the steering wheel had newly become covered with small cracks that look similar to the "crazing" that we see when certain chemicals come into contact with plastics (I'm in the plastics manufacturing business). A photo is attached, showing this issue.
• The shift boot, which was a supple piece, now feels rigid and "dried out", and is pulling away (shrinking) from the wood console cover, leaving a visible gap at the right hand side between the wood and the boot assembly.

• The vent louvre adjustments for the dash vents, which had buttery smooth operation before are now sticky with protectant and I've had to work the controls in all directions a number of times in an attempt to loosen up the action on them (particularly the passenger side vent, as it hadn't been used much since the detail work was done - it was completely locked in place the other date and I had to use force to get it moving again) after "working them" for a while the controls still do not function as they had for the prior 18 months. At the same time I've had to work into the louvers with a rag to clean off excess protectant on them.

• The floor mats are discolored to a much darker shade than they were previously (the difference is clear between the top and bottom, as the bottom was left clean), and have a “hard” coat on them from the protectant used.

• As mentioned, the car hasn't been detailed in the time I’ve owned it (taking delivery in spring 2008), and each of the issues at hand have come to light in the few weeks since our visit ot your home in September.

Whatever protectant was used does not seem to be compatible with some of the materials in this car. At this point the two biggest, most obvious and easily repaired concerns are likely to be the steering wheel airbag cover roundel and the shift boot.

I will take the car to the dealership for inspection of these two items. If BMW will not provide warranty replacement of these two items (ie: if they state it's not warranted due to wear & tear or chemicals/protectants applied), would you be willing to comepensate me for the replacement of these parts?
 
I would like to add that this car was done on Aug 22nd, and I got this today!

The products that I used on the inside where PB APC mixed on a 10 to 1, and woolite and water mixed the same for the leather. Dressing was NL and LS all of which I buffed after each application baring in mind that he wanted a matted finish.

His rubber mats here washed only and nothing applied to them, I have no idea what he is talking about.

The part about the leather boot pulling back and the BMW logo cracking is just mine boggling!
 
I posted that Ron might have posted after you posted this...PB APC mixed 1 part APC to 10 parts water..nothing was sprayed direct on anything inside...Natural look for the dressing and leather stuff on the leather...all of which was buffed after for the matted finish
 
This was a pic that was attached of the roundel on his steering wheel. His GF is a professional photography one would think he could have sent a better pic than this
 

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People like that are absolutely absurd. I would ignore the email and his cheap shot complaints. If he calls you up and complains i suggest telling him that he is a beep beep and you don't deal with people like him. He can go somewhere else and then he will legitimately be able to complain when some clown oils his interior up. Then he can realize he lost a real detailer.
 
This was a pic that was attached of the roundel on his steering wheel. His GF is a professional photography one would think he could have sent a better pic than this
I'm not seeing a photo.
Dave how old is this car?? do you know the year.
Must be in warranty because he mentioned that but if it is a high mileage car those things like the shifter would be just normal wear.
It sounds like you have a nut case on your hands and NO amount of effort on your part will every make him happy.:yikes:

I would tell him to get lost but don't be surprised if he threatens legal action you have a real nut case on your hands and he is looking to cause you all the grieve he can. :wow:

If someone complained about something when they picked up the car or even the next day I would tell them to bring it back so you could look at it but 2 months later and now he decides you have ruined his car that is just plain BS :wall
 
I'm not seeing a photo.
Dave how old is this car?? do you know the year.
Must be in warranty because he mentioned that but if it is a high mileage car those things like the shifter would be just normal wear.
It sounds like you have a nut case on your hands and NO amount of effort on your part will every make him happy.:yikes:

I would tell him to get lost but don't be surprised if he threatens legal action you have a real nut case on your hands and he is looking to cause you all the grieve he can. :wow:

If someone complained about something when they picked up the car or even the next day I would tell them to bring it back so you could look at it but 2 months later and now he decides you have ruined his car that is just plain BS :wall

BB

The car is an 08 BMW and the mileage I don't know but its not driven that much. I plan on making sure that he brings that car to me and show me the so called damage before I will do anything.

Then I've also asked another detailer in San Fran one of the higher end shops to have a look at it, that's where this guy lives. In talking to the other detailer he was laughing about it, says he has stuff like that happen every so often.

I can concur that with in one week or less, I would have just corrected any issues he had, but two months is a stretch for me
 
If someone complained about something when they picked up the car or even the next day I would tell them to bring it back so you could look at it but 2 months later and now he decides you have ruined his car that is just plain BS :wall

Agreed.
 
I'm not a professional so this is just my opinion.

I've noticed a lot of people get exited when they get there car detailed. The car looks new again. So they make the right move to try and maintain that look ( a good thing). The problem is that they then go and buy all these products but do not educate them selves. Sometime not even reading the directions on the bottle. They take a spray bottle of protectant and just start spraying everything and everywhere.

I would make sure that it is the same product you used. How do you do that, I don't know. Check the smell, gloss, texture. Maybe even take out the NL and LS and do a test spot for him.

He might be trying to pull a fast one on you.
 
I'm not a professional so this is just my opinion.

I've noticed a lot of people get exited when they get there car detailed. The car looks new again. So they make the right move to try and maintain that look ( a good thing). The problem is that they then go and buy all these products but do not educate them selves. Sometime not even reading the directions on the bottle. They take a spray bottle of protectant and just start spraying everything and everywhere.

I would make sure that it is the same product you used. How do you do that, I don't know. Check the smell, gloss, texture. Maybe even take out the NL and LS and do a test spot for him.

He might be trying to pull a fast one on you.

I agree that they can get real excited over seeing their cars look like new again, one of the small satisfactions that come from detaling IMO.

As for NL abd LS I've used these products for well over 5 years without the slightest complaint. In fact most love the smell of NL. The sticking of the AC vents is something that I can't wrap my mind around. Again I've done this on a lot of cars, mine included and have never experienced this.

Based on the level of complainants and time that has passed I'm even less inclined to do anything. At this point I'm being nice about it, but refuse to take any responsibility of damage incurred.
 
I had something like this happen to me, I had a detailed an RX-7 for a 18 year old and the car left my house perfect (I had pics to prove it). The young man was asking for tips and that I had used in order to maintain the detail so I was kind enough to lend him a tip or two. Well called me after 5 weeks and began to complain to me that I had ruined his paint with swirls and even burned the paint off the bumper. I was totally surprised by the phone call and told him that is was not possible that I burned through the paint since the polishing I completed on his white car was minimal since he would not pay for complete paint correction. He insisted and told him to bring the car by so I could take a look, he hesitated but brought the car over and I discovered at the time that someone had a taken a wool pad and a rotary to the car. I told him to take a walk and was not even nice to him. He threatened to take the matter to small claims and I told him to go ahead since I was armed with detailed pictures of the detail and needless to say I never heard from him again.

Months after a cousin of his recognized me (his cousin helped him drop off and pick up the car at the time of the detail) and he approaced me to tell me his cousin screwed up his own car and was just trying to get me to correct it for free. Go figure. ;)
 
I had something like this happen to me, I had a detailed an RX-7 for a 18 year old and the car left my house perfect (I had pics to prove it). The young man was asking for tips and that I had used in order to maintain the detail so I was kind enough to lend him a tip or two. Well called me after 5 weeks and began to complain to me that I had ruined his paint with swirls and even burned the paint off the bumper. I was totally surprised by the phone call and told him that is was not possible that I burned through the paint since the polishing I completed on his white car was minimal since he would not pay for complete paint correction. He insisted and told him to bring the car by so I could take a look, he hesitated but brought the car over and I discovered at the time that someone had a taken a wool pad and a rotary to the car. I told him to take a walk and was not even nice to him. He threatened to take the matter to small claims and I told him to go ahead since I was armed with detailed pictures of the detail and needless to say I never heard from him again.

Months after a cousin of his recognized me (his cousin helped him drop off and pick up the car at the time of the detail) and he approaced me to tell me his cousin screwed up his own car and was just trying to get me to correct it for free. Go figure. ;)
That is probably what is going on with Dave hell the guy probably used tire dressing on the steering wheel. :lol2:
 
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