I like the looks of Duragloss 253, but it won`t last after one wash

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beanbag

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Have new tires.
After a few hundred miles, sidewalls look kinda brown.
Apply Duragloss, looks like a very nice matte black.
Stays that way for an entire week.
The next car wash, the tires are looking a little brown again. (I had to foam and scrub and pressure wash the rims to get the brake dust off)

Any way to get this to last past a few car washes, without adding extra gloss?
 
Um, isn`t this pretty much the cycle with a tire dressing, that you need to redo at your weekly wash?

What are you using to clean the tires before dressing? Careful choice of tire cleaner (and dressing) can reduce the browning when the dressing wears off, depending on the tire and its age.

You might also try a tire coating, or a tire "sealant" like WETS or UTTG.
 
After reading some reviews, it seems like for most people it lasts a few washes. So maybe:
I didn`t clean the tire enough when I first applied it? (forgot how I cleaned it)
The tires are new and still emitting a lot of the brown anti-oxidizers?
I need to let the product sit on the tires longer before buffing off?
 
Well, as far as it lasting a few washes, that kind of depends on conditions, driving in rain/snow will surely decrease the longevity.

Yes, perhaps you didn`t clean the tire enough, perhaps it is leaching more anti-ozonants because it is new. I`ve been struggling with this stuff the whole time I`ve been a member here, which is just slightly less time than you have been a member. My solution has been to use cleaners that don`t seem to promote the leaching of the anti-ozonant, and use a dressing that also doesn`t seem to do that. The DG 253 is pretty good, I prefer the Optimum tire dressings. I have been using OPC at 3:1 for cleaning, however I do have a bottle of the Tuf Shine cleaner that I haven`t used yet, and some people like the McKee`s.
 
I have been using 253 for years and it has always lasted at least one month. As far as cleaning I have been using either DG 701 or Mothers Back to Black Tire Renew. I did the tires on the Wife`s van about 3 Months ago and rinseless wash with Optimum No-Rinse Wash & Wax with Car Wax and the tires still look pretty good.

Dave
 
Hmmmm...interesting experiences. Thanks to SgtMajUSMC`s generosity, it`s gonna be a *LONG* time before I need more of this stuff, but the DG is still on my short list.

I always have to reslime my tires after each wash, but I hardly *ever* wash as frequently as weekly these days.

Oddly enough, none of my winter tires (Blizzaks) need dressings; I just wash them and they`re nice and black. Had a set of (IIRC) Goodyear A/S that were like that too, but they handled like [crap].
 
I`ve been using D253 for quite a few years as well and as much as I like it, it isn`t perfect. Just like any other product, I`ve found it works on some rubber compounds better than others. I`ve also found it to not survive several hours of hard soaking rain or several days of driving in the rain/snow, yet it does hold up to a a light rain or washing the vehicle.

The price and ease of use easily overcome the faults.
 
Accumulator said:
... Oddly enough, none of my winter tires (Blizzaks) need dressings; I just wash them and they`re nice and black....
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Interesting. The compound is softer and more porous on winter tires so I bet they "take" the washing better and thus are able to show off the carbon black additive better.

Speaking of tire dressing and longevity: recommendations -
1) Don`t apply the dressing just after a wash. Wait until the tire is very dry.
2) Apply the dressing heavy and wait a while, come back later to buff to the desired matte level.
3) Use cotton to buff, not microfiber, because microfiber = removal of product (a trick Steve and Poorboy`s told me).
 
WaxAddict said:
Use cotton to buff, not microfiber, because microfiber = removal of product (a trick Steve and Poorboy`s told me).
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Maybe that is why I have no problem with 253. I use Terry Cloths from Costco for applying and final wipe on tires.

Dave
 
WaxAddict said:
Speaking of tire dressing and longevity: recommendations -
1) Don`t apply the dressing just after a wash. Wait until the tire is very dry.
2) Apply the dressing heavy and wait a while, come back later to buff to the desired matte level.
3) Use cotton to buff, not microfiber, because microfiber = removal of product (a trick Steve and Poorboy`s told me).
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See how things differ (again)?!?

I always wipe most of the water off the tires before dressing them, but...

2) I apply moderately and buff *immediately* because if I don`t I get too much sheen and it`s MUCH harder to get an even look.
3) After using cotton for decades, I`ve switched to MF and I like it a *lot* better. No problems with it removing too much.

So once again, YMMV and both of these very different approaches can work. Gotta try stuff and see what works for *you*.
 
Here`s another variance in application. I use a foam applicator for 253!

I wait until the tire is dry and will put a small amount on the applicator and then spread it on the tire. Depending on how things look after the first coat, I`ll do a second to even out application and/or improve the appearance. Even after two light coats the appearance is still dark and somewhere between satin and matte once it dries. I would image any more would start to looks shiny.
 
One of the keys with new tires is removing the mold release coating which at times may require several attempts. I know it took multiple scrubbings with a Mothers stiff brush to actually get to the rubber.

Dave
 
Update: at my third car wash, after the Duragloss had been applied for the second time, the browning of the tires was much less bad. But in any case, I "cleaned" the tires this time with Mother`s Tire Renew / Cleaner. Then (somewhat over-)applied Duragloss again a third time until the tires almost had a slight sheen. Hopefully at my next wash I won`t have to do anything to the tires again.

BTW, even this third time of Duragloss application, I still had a fair bit of black / brown / grey stuff coming off into my buff-out cloth. Will this decrease in the future?
 
beanbag said:
BTW, even this third time of Duragloss application, I still had a fair bit of black / brown / grey stuff coming off into my buff-out cloth. Will this decrease in the future?
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Guess time will tell. FWIW, I don`t bother getting my tires 100% clean/free of that stuff. Maybe that`s more of my Autopian Heresy, but as long as I think they look good I just don`t care..not like I`m gonna sit on my tires in white pants or anything :D
 
Perhaps someday think about trying the TufShine Cleaner and their ClearCoat..
Works great on all the tires I ever do, and my personal tires, well I hardly ever have to clean them and reapply much to them.. lt lasts... No greasy, slippery, slinging, etc..
Tried all the other cleaners, even had a Detailer Friend in Canada send me some of his special recipe, all the Zaino, etc., dressings, none of them lasted very long ever, in the rainy, or snowy, Pacific Northwest..
Only one that held up and continues so much easier here in Northern California = TufShine...
Good luck with your project !
Dan F
 
Yet another update, this is after last time when I cleaner the tires with the Mother`s Tire renew / cleaner, and then applied (too much) Duragloss.
Upon this wash, the tires were more hydrophobic. I still gave them a brief scrub with the brush and soapy water the same time I was cleaning the rims. After the wash, the tires were a mostly matte black, with just a touch of brown to them. They were almost acceptable to me, except for that very slight brown. I gave them a quick wipe / scrub with Duragloss on a terry cloth, and the tires became darker again. Not much "stuff" came off onto the cloth this time.
 
beanbag- Does the terry cloth leave any lint behind? Every now and then I`ve had tires that cotton would *lint* on...and then I had a whole new chore. I finally switched to old MFs just to avoid the possibility.

And as I`ve posted before, I sure don`t bother getting my tires white glove-clean at every wash and I`ve never felt I oughta. IMO you`re doing just fine. Well...other than maybe using too much, but you`re the guy who said that :D and maybe it`s just right.
 
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