how to know what products i can use on top of other products?

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just wondering how you all determine what you can stack on top of different products? like how will i know a certain product will adhere to AIO?



i'm planning on using AIO, then #7, then #26. obviously the meg's will work together, but how do you know if they'll work with AIO?
 
Personally, I don't think you'll have any problems with the combination you're asking about. From what I know about AIO, it's a really good (and inert) base for a broad variety of products. But.......you could do a search to see if anyone has had problems.



Other than that, why not try the combo on one panel and see how it works out. Ultimately that's how anyone finds out if there's a problem with combining different products. :)
 
To figure if some combo will be compatible, consider the characteristics of the products under consideration. In the absence of first-hand experience, I can only try to think it through:



I'd wonder about the #7 being compatible with the AIO- will it bond to it?



AIO provides some protection, so it's gonna leave a presumably impermeable film on the paint (generally speaking, it's the same kind of film that waxes leave). This film will fill in the tiny imperfections in the paint to some extent (this is one reason for the slick surface AIO leaves behind). Will the #7 stick to this film or just slide around on top of it? #7 is designed to get into the tiny microfissures/surface imperfections/pores of paint- will those be present (functionally speaking) if the paint is coated with AIO or will the AIO fill them in and leave something over top of them? I don't know, but I have my doubts. I guess it comes down to how the non-oil ingredients in the #7 behave.



IMO it'll be like putting a glaze on top of wax- it provides a temporary boost in appearance, but it won't last long because the glaze (usually) doesn't really bond to the wax very well.



I'd guess that it might work out OK looks-wise but won't last too long. I wouldn't try it on black though, I'd worry about streaking from the #7 on the AIO.



But hey, that's all conjecture :D If you try it, report back on how it works out. We'll see how well my theory works out in practice (I'm fully prepared to rework the theory ;) and if I'm wrong I'll know better for the next time this comes up).
 
hmm, thanks for that explanation. it makes sense to me that it wouldn't work.



so how will i know for sure if it works or not? wait till it stops beading and know that it has failed? or will i know as soon as i try to put the #7 over the AIO coat?



it's a silver volvo so i don't know how much of a streaking i'll see. i might just end up going with the #7 and #26 after a good paint prep. only reason why i wanted to go with the AIO is because it won't mark up the plastic molding that volvo's have.
 
Interesting analysis, Accumulator, but wouldn't the same reasoning apply to topping AIO with a carnuaba? And I know lots of folks do that without bonding issues.
 
superstring- This can get interesting, huh? I enjoy thinking this stuff through :D



Short version: #7 and wax are very different critters that behave differently.



The way I see it (and I'm not sure I'm right...just hypothesizing...) is that the wax actually dries/cures/bonds to stuff but the #7 doesn't, at least not in the same way. Note that you wipe #7 off while it's still wet, leaving a little bit of it behind in those microfissures; with wax, you let it dry and it sticks to whatever it's on. #7 will always wash right off but once wax cures it stays put for a long time.



When I apply #7 to perfect b/c paint, I don't get any real benefit from it- it wipes on and then wipes right off leaving nothing of any consequence behind (I've used it on new Audis and it was a complete waste of time/effort/product). I'd expect it to behave similarly going on over AIO. Not as complete a waste, but not worth doing.



VMaxima- Even on silver, you'll see if things aren't bonding. The #7 will sorta smear around on the AIO and adding wax won't completely solve it. I've spotted this happening with other products (that weren't compatible) on my silver Audis so I know you can see it.



I know what you mean about the Volvo trim (had an 850), so I'd just use the AIO and the #26 and skip the #7 if I were in your shoes. But I'm still curious about how the #7 would behave on the AIO.
 
#7 is a pure polish. it doesnt have any cleaners in it. its used on new paint or newly painted cars while u wait for it to cure. #26 is a pure wax no cleaners. www.meguiarsonline.com can explain their products better. ive used both. meguiars makes polishes and waxes with cleaners in them.
 
thanks guy.



i'm gonna go ahead and use the aio and then the 26 on my volvo. i'm gonna try the aio and the #7 combo and then prob some 26 on my dad's 350z. i'll let you know how it goes.



btw, what do i do when in fact the aio and the 7 don't work together?
 
VMaxima said:
i'm gonna try the aio and the #7 combo and then prob some 26 on my dad's 350z. i'll let you know how it goes.



btw, what do i do when in fact the aio and the 7 don't work together?
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OK, cool, I'll be interested to hear how it works out. Lots of stuff that doesn't seem like a good idea ends up being perfectly fine.



If there's any issue after you apply the #7 I'd just reapply the AIO, which oughta clean everything off.
 
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