How is rinseless safer?

ihaveacamaro

ihaveacamaro

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So my question pertains to UWW+ specifically.

If for UWW+, the waterless wash is 0.5 oz to 22 oz or 1 oz to 44 oz and rinseless is 1 oz to 3 GALLONS (384 oz), isn't the concentration of polymers much higher in waterless.

Is rinseless safer because the entire MF is wet regardless of the fact that the concentration of polymers is lower?
 
ihaveacamaro said:
So my question pertains to UWW+ specifically.

If for UWW+, the waterless wash is 0.5 oz to 22 oz or 1 oz to 44 oz and rinseless is 1 oz to 3 GALLONS (384 oz), isn't the concentration of polymers much higher in waterless.

Is rinseless safer because the entire MF is wet regardless of the fact that the concentration of polymers is lower?
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Hey Roshan,

my answer is just from general observation, Rinseless puts more solution on the car and the media is soaked. But I too have questioned this..... either way I get a clean car:rockon
 
ihaveacamaro said:
So my question pertains to UWW+ specifically.

If for UWW+, the waterless wash is 0.5 oz to 22 oz or 1 oz to 44 oz and rinseless is 1 oz to 3 GALLONS (384 oz), isn't the concentration of polymers much higher in waterless.

Is rinseless safer because the entire MF is wet regardless of the fact that the concentration of polymers is lower?
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Just to add to this, I recently started using UWW+ as a QD mixed at 1/2 OZ to 22 OZ of stilled water and I have found this awesome as a QD. I think better then ONR used as a QD. However, yours is a good question as I have wondered the thing.

novaman
 
ihaveacamaro said:
haha not questioning him, just curious.

In regards to what you said, does easier mean safer?
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Yes, On my newer Acura the clear coat is so soft I have tested Rinseless and waterless extensively. Rinseless lifts the dirt much easier and does NOT scratch the paint, and is more forgiving.

With waterless you have to lay down a decent amount of solution and you can still get a great swirl free finish.
 
I think the reason rinseless is safer is the increased volume of water exceeds the protection of just a higher concentration of polymers in the encapsulation of grime. The MF is making contact with more solution and less paint, therefore less chance to scratch. Just my $.02. I find waterless more convenient and have been getting great results by thoroughly spraying the solution and lightly removing it with just the weight of a clean MF then following up with a drier MF to dry the paint. So far, so good.
 
I've come to the conclusion for me is rinseless to wash, waterless as a drying agent and also the wheels.....
 
Rinseless Washes are generally safer because of the flushing effect of the water.

With a waterless wash, all of the dirt that is removed is trapped into a microfiber towel. Even super effective waterless washes, such as BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Waterless Wash, are limited by the amount of dirt the microfiber can safely hold without scratching. At some point the accumulated dirt will become to much for the polymer "barrier".

With a rinseless wash there is a volume of solution that is running from the paint, diluting the dirt and grime, and flushing some of it away. The amount of dirt that accumulates on the microfiber towel is is far less, which greatly reduces the risk of scratching.
 
Todd Helme said:
Rinseless Washes are generally safer because of the flushing effect of the water.

With a waterless wash, all of the dirt that is removed is trapped into a microfiber towel. Even super effective waterless washes, such as BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Waterless Wash, are limited by the amount of dirt the microfiber can safely hold without scratching. At some point the accumulated dirt will become to much for the polymer "barrier".

With a rinseless wash there is a volume of solution that is running from the paint, diluting the dirt and grime, and flushing some of it away. The amount of dirt that accumulates on the microfiber towel is is far less, which greatly reduces the risk of scratching.
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This makes sense to me, but one question about what I bolded.

Now, in my experience, using rinseless washes saturates the paint in water, but most of the water stays on the paint in beads and doesn't run off to the ground. In that case, most of the dirt is also on the paint and gets trapped in the microfiber. It would be very similar to the amount of dirt in waterless wash. Which then would negate the part that I bolded in you quote.

So am I doing rinseless wrong and just not soaking the paint enough?
 
IMO they are BOTH dangerous on any painted surface if not used correctly.

I use waterless wash almost 100% of the time, but in CA and two garage queens don't see that much dirt.

During the winter I will use ORN for the lower parts of the cars
 
I myself have only used the rinseless once and have not used waterless at all. From what I see to me the rinseless would be safer, I say this because you use a 2 bucket method in rinseless. I pre-soaked the paint with a spray bottle of solution like you would with the waterless (fine mist layer doesn't bead as easy as a layer of water does). You soak the MF towel or mitt, in my case I used a towel and not my wash mitt, in the solution and then wash your pre-soaked section. I actually wiped in a straight line and turned the towel in a upward fashion as I was moving across the paint, flip towel and did a pass along side this. Now you rinse your towel in the 2nd bucket to get the dirt particles out, ring out and return to solution bucket, dry section and repeat on next section.

I have not used waterless and think it would work fine for light dust but in my case the car is a lot dirtier and this is where rinseless I think works best. I have to be extra careful because of the salt used here in MN but by rolling the towel upward while moving across I think helps pull the dirt off so it remains in the towel.

I am actually headed out to the garage to do a rinseless wash this morning. I had to take it to the car wash first because it was a little wet the other day here and it really got a lot of road grime and salt on it. The quick wash and rinse I did was enough to get the major grime and crud off but there is still a layer on the car making it look dull. Just my noob opinion but hope this helps.

Dean. :bigups
 
ihaveacamaro said:
This makes sense to me, but one question about what I bolded.

Now, in my experience, using rinseless washes saturates the paint in water, but most of the water stays on the paint in beads and doesn't run off to the ground. In that case, most of the dirt is also on the paint and gets trapped in the microfiber. It would be very similar to the amount of dirt in waterless wash. Which then would negate the part that I bolded in you quote.

So am I doing rinseless wrong and just not soaking the paint enough?
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Some volume of water will stay on the paint but some should run off. Even with the volume of water that stands on the paint it is dramatically diluting the dirt on the surface which allows it to be encapsulated completely.
 
Beemerboy said:
IMO they are BOTH dangerous on any painted surface if not used correctly.

I use waterless wash almost 100% of the time, but in CA and two garage queens don't see that much dirt.

During the winter I will use ORN for the lower parts of the cars
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Excellent point, ANY wash method, if not done correctly, is dangerous to the paint.
 
skibik said:
I myself have only used the rinseless once and have not used waterless at all. From what I see to me the rinseless would be safer, I say this because you use a 2 bucket method in rinseless. I pre-soaked the paint with a spray bottle of solution like you would with the waterless (fine mist layer doesn't bead as easy as a layer of water does). You soak the MF towel or mitt, in my case I used a towel and not my wash mitt, in the solution and then wash your pre-soaked section. I actually wiped in a straight line and turned the towel in a upward fashion as I was moving across the paint, flip towel and did a pass along side this. Now you rinse your towel in the 2nd bucket to get the dirt particles out, ring out and return to solution bucket, dry section and repeat on next section.

I have not used waterless and think it would work fine for light dust but in my case the car is a lot dirtier and this is where rinseless I think works best. I have to be extra careful because of the salt used here in MN but by rolling the towel upward while moving across I think helps pull the dirt off so it remains in the towel.

I am actually headed out to the garage to do a rinseless wash this morning. I had to take it to the car wash first because it was a little wet the other day here and it really got a lot of road grime and salt on it. The quick wash and rinse I did was enough to get the major grime and crud off but there is still a layer on the car making it look dull. Just my noob opinion but hope this helps.

Dean. :bigups
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Well said Dean, I too used the 2 bucket routine and yes the mit drops the dirt into the rise bucket therefore keeping mit clean to go back to paint for for dirt all w/o scratching. Proof of this in how clean the MF towels stay compared to the Waterless routine needing many more towels to get the job done safely.:bigups
 
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