Help First Time Polisher!

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Kustom Kevin

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Ok First let me introduce my self, my names Kevin, and im from the suburbs of Chicago. I got the harbor freight rotary polisher to see whats its like, its a good machine, i placed my first Autogeek order and got Menzerna IP, Final Polish, Optimum Compound, Hyper Compound and Poli Seal. I also bought an orange CCS pad and a blue CCS pad, well i started to do my Audi today and i watched some of the pinnical videos on ag and i noticed that im not getting that hazy look when the polish gets worked in, im wondering what am i doing wrong and how i should go about correcting it, just to clarify i am getting that hazy look in the first pass with my rotary and 1k rpm but then it just goes away and i can just see a really small hazy. hope i clarified enough to get some help.

Thanks Kevin.
 
You mentioned a couple of polishes. What pad and polish are you using? Also, are you noticing the haze with the polish or a haze on the paint when you remove the polish with a towel?



BTW, welcome to the site
 
You guys no when u start to polish u get that circular mearring look or what ever it is, i only get that on the first pass and then when i overlap it it goes away, what am i doing wrong.
 
What you are referring to is holigramming. If you are using IP and an orange pad on a rotary, you are going to get that...The orange pad is pretty agressive. The IP and orange pad (if worked properly) will remove a lot of defects, but will leave holigramming and hazing. You can get rid of this by stepping down to a milder pad and polish. Depending on the paint and your technique, sometimes you can stick with the IP, and step down to a white pad, and get rid of the holigramming and hazing and get a nice looking finish.
 
maybe thats what your talking about but i will say it again,

after one pass with a orange pad and IP i see the polish spread and break down after that i need to ever lap the polish again and what happends is that it dissipears. im using the lowest speed possible
 
Kustom Kevin said:
maybe thats what your talking about but i will say it again,

after one pass with a orange pad and IP i see the polish spread and break down after that i need to ever lap the polish again and what happends is that it dissipears. im using the lowest speed possible
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ok... you want it to disappear... holograms is not what you want the end result to be... the goal is to have the paint as clean/clear as possible of any dirt or excess products... so the fact that you DONT have the holograms is a GOOD thing...
 
I think what he is referring to is... in the Pinnacle videos, as well as Wolfgang and others, they start with an orange pad and some sort of swirl remover.



They show a guy with a Porter Cable 7424 working in the polish for about 5 minutes on a 2'x3' section and then say (and show) that you know when your polish is completely broken down when it becomes holographic/translucent...
 
Weather (hot) may be a factor. I found when I slightly lubricated the orange pad with PB S&W, I had much better luck..the polish stuck around a bit longer for me to work it in. But this is with a PC, not a rotary.
 
Kevin where exactly are you located? I'd be willing to have you drop by and see how you're working with the rotary and what exactly is happening.



As rjom said, humidity and menzerna don't mix well, so you might be getting dried up polish really fast.
 
lecchilo said:
Kevin where exactly are you located? I'd be willing to have you drop by and see how you're working with the rotary and what exactly is happening.



As rjom said, humidity and menzerna don't mix well, so you might be getting dried up polish really fast.
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no polishes that ive tried work well in hot or humid conditions. im a newb too, i tried m95 m83 and black fire finishing polis (aka 106ff) and the same thing happened. i would work in the polish and it seemed to break down and fade before it really did any corrective work and after 30 seconds i felt like the pad was dry.
 
6ces said:
no polishes that ive tried work well in hot or humid conditions. im a newb too, i tried m95 m83 and black fire finishing polis (aka 106ff) and the same thing happened. i would work in the polish and it seemed to break down and fade before it really did any corrective work and after 30 seconds i felt like the pad was dry.
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No offense to you but it is probably just user error... I know for a face many detailers down south, where it's constantly 80-90, have been using even Meznerna on a daily basis with no problems... Menzerna acts up when it's pretty humid outside, which I experienced here in Chicago numerous times during this summer... Meguiar's, however, works fine in pretty much any weather... as an example below is a video of me using M95 with LC PFW for a good 3+ mins in 85* with about 85-90 humidity... if it was a bit cooler, I could've probably done at least 2-3 more passes at 1200-1500, but I felt that was enough at the time.. one thing you have to kinda get a feel for is that even when some polishes go clear they're still providing lubrication and working as they should be... it's when you start seeing chunks of polish dried up on the paint and pieces being flung around by the pad when you should stop and figure out why it's drying up too fast...



Anyway, here's the video...



YouTube - Makita polishing with Meg's #95 and LC PFW
 
lecchilo said:
No offense to you but it is probably just user error... I know for a face many detailers down south, where it's constantly 80-90, have been using even Meznerna on a daily basis with no problems... Menzerna acts up when it's pretty humid outside, which I experienced here in Chicago numerous times during this summer... Meguiar's, however, works fine in pretty much any weather... as an example below is a video of me using M95 with LC PFW for a good 3+ mins in 85* with about 85-90 humidity... if it was a bit cooler, I could've probably done at least 2-3 more passes at 1200-1500, but I felt that was enough at the time.. one thing you have to kinda get a feel for is that even when some polishes go clear they're still providing lubrication and working as they should be... it's when you start seeing chunks of polish dried up on the paint and pieces being flung around by the pad when you should stop and figure out why it's drying up too fast...



Anyway, here's the video...



YouTube - Makita polishing with Meg's #95 and LC PFW
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No offense taken my friend, i totally agree it is user error. Im saying that me and him as newbies are having the same problem. What i meant, was that all the polishes ive dealt with acted different in heat cause i didnt know how to compensate for that. Sorry if i came off arrogant or anything.
 
Cool that M95 can be worked such a long time.



Do you guys lubricate the pad in any way before hand? (I lubricate the foam pads with XMT pad conditioner or some water at least when starting the first panel) As the pad loads up it becomes more lubricated.
 
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