HD Cut problem

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oboroballa03

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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I have recently used some hd cut i ordered several months ago and i am not sure whats wrong. I make 2 passes and it gets dried up and is a pain to get off. It was like 75 or 80 degrees in the garage so not in the direct sunlight also the car was in the garage all night. I love hd speed and hd polish they perform great just wondering if anyone else has had any issues with hd cut. I ordered some menzerna 400 for now seen good reviews for it but i don`t want the hd cut to go to waste is there any suggestions on what to try and do? Thanks[/FONT]
 
Sizzle Chest said:
How much was applied to the pad? Did you prime the pad prior to using it?

Let us know!
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I did prime the pad first i used an orange lc cutting pad and applied 4 roughly pea sized drops to it. This is the second vehicle i tried it on and i have done different amounts but nothing seems to work for me. I ended up having to go to meguiars ultimate compound which did a good job but it seems dust quiet a bit.
 
Compounds do dust more than polishes and AIOs but sounds like maybe your machine speed was too high? What setting on what machine did you use?
 
Cut always had plenty of work time for me. If not a temp problem, speed may be too high as mentioned above.
 
I buff such products off before they flash, while they`re still a little "wet". Even if that means extremely short work-times (as per M105...seems like just seconds of working before I buff it off).
 
dcjredline said:
Compounds do dust more than polishes and AIOs but sounds like maybe your machine speed was too high? What setting on what machine did you use?
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I was using a flex 3401 on speed 4 then went to a meguiars g110 and used it on speed 4 thinking the forced rotation was being the problem but still had the same results. I havent used hd cut before so maybe next time i can try a lower speed and see if it helps.
 
RaskyR1 said:
What make model vehicle are you working on?
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It was a 2008 f250. i did try it on their toyota camry with the white single stage paint and the same problem. I havent buffed a whole lot of vehicles or anything but i havent ever had this problem with anything product which i know they are all different just cant figure out what i am doing wrong.
 
oboroballa03 said:
It was a 2008 f250. i did try it on their toyota camry with the white single stage paint and the same problem. I havent buffed a whole lot of vehicles or anything but i havent ever had this problem with anything product which i know they are all different just cant figure out what i am doing wrong.
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Ok. I haven`t used it a lot but the HD Cut+ I have did dry up like that on a newer black GM truck. The other few times I tried it it was fine.
 
Now that you mention that i went and looked it is the hd cut + but you would think it would act like that all the time not just some. I will give it a try on another vehicle and if it doesnt work i guess i will use the menzerna and try it.
 
I have the same issue with HD Cut+. Paint type and temp don`t seem to matter for me either, nor did machine speed (tried 3, 4, and 5 on a GG Std DA). Buff & Shine pads, tried Orange, White and Green. Even two passes made it difficult to remove. Adapt and Polish + are easy to wipe off, even after 6 passes. I`ve tried more product, less product, changed pressure, etc. Nothing...Frustrating.
 
RPPM said:
I have the same issue with HD Cut+. Paint type and temp don`t seem to matter for me either, nor did machine speed (tried 3, 4, and 5 on a GG Std DA). Buff & Shine pads, tried Orange, White and Green. Even two passes made it difficult to remove. Adapt and Polish + are easy to wipe off, even after 6 passes. I`ve tried more product, less product, changed pressure, etc. Nothing...Frustrating.
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I am glad someone else has had the struggles i have lol. I dont know if there was a bad batch or something because i even keep mine in my climate controlled garage. Doesnt make sense how speed and polish + wipe off so easy then this is like dried on glue i had to spray it with some waterless wash to get it off.
 
Never had a problem with Cut (not the Plus version, the original) via Flex or at rather high speeds. Well, other than it not being aggressive enough ;)

Never had any weird issues with `08 Ford clear, IMO it`s a textbook "medium-everything" paint. I`ve struggled with some problematic paints, but this wasn`t one of `em.

oboroballa03- How does it behave by hand? How about if you wipe it off *WAY* before you normally would?
 
Accumulator said:
Never had a problem with Cut (not the Plus version, the original) via Flex or at rather high speeds. Well, other than it not being aggressive enough ;)

Never had any weird issues with `08 Ford clear, IMO it`s a textbook "medium-everything" paint. I`ve struggled with some problematic paints, but this wasn`t one of `em.

oboroballa03- How does it behave by hand? How about if you wipe it off *WAY* before you normally would?
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Havent tried it by hand but i cant wipe it off much sooner or it wont be effective. I spread it out make 1 to 2 passes and its already dried up i thought about keeping a spray bottle with water and try misting it as i work it but you shouldnt have to do that. I am gonna give it ago on a few more cars and see what happens and it might get trashed.
 
Well, FWIW, heh heh...IMO it`s *NOT* all that effective....but your experience does sound weird as I work it at pretty high speeds and it doesn`t flash that fast for me, basically works a bit longer than M105. But then I work relatively small areas at a time too; I certainly *NEVER* do the "2 foot square" thing that some advocate except with certain Finishing Polishes, can`t imagine how anybody gets good results that way but apparently some folks do.
 
oboroballa03 said:
Havent tried it by hand but i cant wipe it off much sooner or it wont be effective. I spread it out make 1 to 2 passes and its already dried up i thought about keeping a spray bottle with water and try misting it as i work it but you shouldnt have to do that. I am gonna give it ago on a few more cars and see what happens and it might get trashed.
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I`ve this exact same issue with two bottles of HD Cut+. When it first came out I tried it and I remember liking it, but the next two 32oz bottles I`ve bought were both virtually unusable. It literally dries up before I could actually spread it out. I ended up throwing away one bottle but after having the same issue again, I contacted 3D directly and they replaced it and the bottle they sent me is great!

Between 3D & HD Compounds and Boss Creams, in my experience they need to be kept in an environment between 68-75 degrees at all times. Any fluctuations (especially boss creams) can make products runny and affect their performance.

I guarantee you aren`t doing anything wrong and the issue is with your bottle of HD Cut+ and I would contact 3D or whoever sold it to you and see if they can send you a new one and in return you can send your bottle in for testing.

One question, is your HD Cut+ consistency a little bit runny and can you see little particles? Both of my bad bottles were runnier and I could actually abrasive particles in it. My current bottle of Cut+ is a little thicker consistency and I can`t see those little particles like I could previously.

If you can`t work cut+ for 3 solid passes I think it`s safe to assume there is something wrong with your bottle like there was with mine.
 
Accumulator said:
Well, FWIW, heh heh...IMO it`s *NOT* all that effective....but your experience does sound weird as I work it at pretty high speeds and it doesn`t flash that fast for me, basically works a bit longer than M105. But then I work relatively small areas at a time too; I certainly *NEVER* do the "2 foot square" thing that some advocate except with certain Finishing Polishes, can`t imagine how anybody gets good results that way but apparently some folks do.
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This. Awhile back I had similar problems with the 3D compound. Talked with a mod here and got a new bottle sent out and it works great
 
House of Wax said:
This. Awhile back I had similar problems with the 3D compound. Talked with a mod here and got a new bottle sent out and it works great
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I may have to shoot them an email or something then because i like their other products. I ordered it from ag i will have to see when i did because i am a weekend warrior i dont detail for a living so i dont use my stuff quickly but being in a climate controlled garage the whole time even if its been a year or so it should be good i would think. Thank you guys for the help and advice.
 
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