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Ditto that . . . the argument that using Z by machine "wastes product" is, IMNSHO, a myth. In my experience, the first couple of panels will take a little extra Z2/Z5 before the pad gets "loaded"; after that, it seems to take less per panel than when I work by hand.webviper said:and they use waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less of Z too!:wavey