Hard clearcoat on audi A8

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RsRtuning

Former Gourmet Chef
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the clear coat on the audi A8 is terrible hard, and usually more difficult to buff out minor scratches, then on other vehicles.
 
I detailed my mom's A6 last weekend. The paint seemed very hard. I've seen 100 people say that the paint on German cars is very hard. Especially with the Volkswagen brands (VW, Porsche, Audi).
 
It's definately harder to work out scratches on my A4 than on other cars that I've detailed. I remember this being discussed a few times before.
 
i don't have hard clear, but have you tried Menzerna's PO1066F...
the reason that I mention this is that I have experience w/ PO85RD, and both are recommended for the cerimaclear paints.

PO1066F just has a higher concentration of abrasives.

Just a thought.
 
I have, even though Audi is not Ceramiclear paint. Yes, the "PO Twins" are some of the finest polishes available.
 
I live in Spain, and at the moment we use mostly 3m, presta, and wurth, for our polishing needs, but i heard once before here on the forum of menzerna, so i found their web site in germany and i wrote them an email, where i asked if i could buy a few of their prods, just to try. I never got an answer back, allthough i resent the mail twice more. Had untill now forgotten about them.
So for u guys who use it, which prods. do u recomend me to try? from them, and do any of you buy from around here in europe, do u maybe have a contact that i can use to get ahold of some of their products?
Id be very happy for any help in this..
Thank you...
 
I used the Menzerna twins on the A6 I mentioned earlier. They were applied with a PC and cutting pads. They definitely helped, but did not completely eliminate surface defects. The only thing that will restore Audi paint to as defect free a state as possible is a rotary buffer IMHO.
 
The results on a 95 blue Quattro I did last month were only so-so compared with time in other cars. Didn't think of it as "hard clear coat" though, I'll pay better attention next time.
 
Mikeyc said:
very hard. I've seen 100 people say that the paint on German cars is very hard. Especially with the Volkswagen brands .
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Thats for sure!....My 95 jetta has always ben my test mule for new products(very scratched), and I always thought it was a pain in the :censored: comparied to other cars to buff out...
 
Mikeyc said:
I used the Menzerna twins on the A6 I mentioned earlier. They were applied with a PC and cutting pads. They definitely helped, but did not completely eliminate surface defects. The only thing that will restore Audi paint to as defect free a state as possible is a rotary buffer IMHO.
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In the case of most Audis and especially Mercedes with Ceramiclear paint, this is probably correct. For my own "babied"Audi, I use a Cyclo exclusive for the polishing. At the level of light polishing ( condition not calling for the rotary), it does a more thorough job in less time than the PC. I have not abandoned the PC entirely though, The PC can do a better job at paint correction with a 4" pad. I've use it like this to address isolated spots and areas where the Cyclo's heads can't fit. As for the typical 6" pads, I only use a finishing pad for AIO with it now.

Regarding the Ceramiclear again, unfortunately, it seems to me that the type of defects on the Audi that respond to the Cyclo don't do the same on a Mercedes. It's kinda :( to have to get out the rotary for such light stuff because the product via Cyclo ( or PC) simply won't do anything at all. Via rotary though, it was gone promptly.
 
I've done a few VWs and Audis and they've all had very hard clears. It takes me a good 30-45 minutes longer polishing an Audi than a car with normal clear in the same condition. A rotary will certainly improve the predicament.
 
VW and Audi may not necessarily be consistently as hard as one another all of the time especially if factoring in the possibility of variability in paint swatches and applications from assembly line to assembly line and even in one day from another.
 
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